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I am trying to establish the date of death of a John Hawman in Guisborough, Yorkshire. He was on the 1881 census living Mill Street but by the 1891 census, his 'wife' Martha had supposedly married a William Denton and supposedly living, Stranghow, Skelton, Yorkshire. I do not have details of this 1891 entry. Anyone able to help with details/verification of this death and marriage? I would be very grateful. Thanks in advance.

could this be the death, will look for marriage now Hawman John William Guisborough.9d 376 Death 4 1884 Gen

and is this the marriage doesn't look like she married a Denton Ellerby John Fentris Guisborough.9d 605 Marriage 1 1885 2 Hawman Martha Guisborough.9d 605 Marriage 1 1885 3 Richardson Margaret Ann Guisborough.9d 605 Marriage 1 1885 4 Woodthorp John Guisborough.9d 605 Marriage 1 1885 Gen

Thanks Gen, it could welll be. Looking at the reference 9d 276 4 1884. Does the '4' refer to 4th qtr. It isn't the age at death is it? Sorry to be so thick.

Do you know Martha maiden name as found this Name: DENTON, William Record Type: Marriages Quarter: March Year: 1887 District: Guisborough County: North Riding of Yorkshire Volume: 9d Page: 648 with a Martha WOODTHORPE, on the page

Haha Gen you solved my query 2 marriages in 10 year census gap that's a new one Zoe

Oh he didn't last long Name: Woodthorpe, John Record Type: Deaths Age at death: 28 Quarter: March Year: 1886 District: Guisborough County: North Riding of Yorkshire Volume: 9d Page: 349 Think someone should check 1901 and see who she is with When did she marry John Hawman? Zoe

Gen and Zoe Thank you both for trying for me. This flippin' Martha has been driving me mad for years. She's more elusive than the Scarlet Pimpernel. She was actually born Whitby in 1858 and her maiden name was Stephenson. I am given to believe that she married at least twice. I did think it was to a John Hawman first time and a William Denton the second time, but I have no proof of this. If she did marry a John Hawman then they had a daughter Florence and son John. I'm beginning to think I will never get to the bottom of this woman's comings and gooings !!

Margaret get someone to check out the 1891 census and post the results I would but have no access. It makes sense she was Married to John he died she married someone Called John Woodthorpe he died shortly after then she remarried William Denton you need to find out if her children are still with her do a new post asking for a 1891 look up for Martha Denton b1858 Whitby and then we will try to find children if they are not with her Zoe

Zoe and Gen You little detectives you.... well done. As far as the 1901 census goes, if we are on the right track and she did in fact marry William Denton (as a third husband !!) then they are living in Annitsford, Northumberland by then - no details I'm afraid.

Would you like the 1891 census image? can download it if you PM me Gen

1881 View Record Flora Hawman abt 1876 Gisbro, Yorkshire, England Daughter 15 Mill St, Guisbrough, Yorkshire, England View Record John Hawman abt 1857 Gisbro, Yorkshire, England Head 15 Mill St, Guisbrough, Yorkshire, England View Record John E. Hawman abt 1880 Gisbro, Yorkshire, England Son 15 Mill St, Guisbrough, Yorkshire, England View Record Martha Hawman abt 1858 Whitby, Yorkshire, England Wife 15 Mill St, Guisbrough, Yorkshire, England Gloria

Gen can you post 1891 details are the children with her? thanks Zoe

1891 51 Charlton Cottages head Ironstone Record Denton, Edward abt 1881 Guisborough, Yorkshire, England Son Stanghow Yorkshire View Record Denton, Elizabeth abt 1888 Guisborough, Yorkshire, England Daughter Stanghow Yorkshire View Record Denton, Flourance abt 1876 Guisborough, Yorkshire, England Daughter Stanghow Yorkshire View Record Denton, Harriet abt 1890 Guisborough, Yorkshire, England Daughter Stanghow Yorkshire View Record Denton, John abt 1883 Guisborough, Yorkshire, England Son Stanghow Yorkshire View Record Denton, Martha abt 1858 Guisborough, Yorkshire, England Wife Stanghow Yorkshire View Record Denton, William abt 1855 Lincoln, Lincolnshire, England Head Stanghow Yorkshire 1901 is this them ? 22 Railway road head a miner Christopher Denton abt 1883 Guisborough, Yorkshire, England Son Weetslade Northumberland View Record Elizabeth Denton abt 1888 Guisborough, Yorkshire, England Daughter Weetslade Northumberland View Record Harriet Denton abt 1890 Charlton, Yorkshire, England Daughter Weetslade Northumberland View Record Martha Denton abt 1860 Guisborough, Yorkshire, England Wife Weetslade Northumberland View Record Thomas Denton abt 1894 Hendon, Durham, England Son Weetslade Northumberland View Record William Denton abt 1856 Scotton, Lincolnshire, England Head Weetslade Northumberland

Thanks Jeanette There's your answer Margaret they changed the childrens names to Denton definatly looks like your woman. Zoe

To all of you who replied - You are absolute angels. This has solved a mystery which has been on-going for about 20 years. It will also help to unravel a mystery in the family. I can't thank you all enough. Merry Christmas to you all.

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My pleasure glad to help MERRY CHRISTMAS TO YOU ALSO Zoe