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Hi, I am looking for a Arthur Harris c1898 living in Salford, Lancs. According to my family he should be living with his mother Mary and siblings Florrie, Frederick and Ernest. I cannot find them anywhere. His father, Richard c1870 (South Bank, Middlesborough) left the family, but I cannot find him either. Also looking for a marriage of Fred Hargreaves and Bertha Brown? both living in Salford, 1st child was born in 1894 Any help would be appreciated Phil

Philip there are about 10 Arthur Harris's born about that time but this is the only 1 in Salford...... Arthur Harris abt 1899 Salford, Lancashire, England Son Salford Lancashire Charles Harris abt 1896 Salford, Lancashire, England Son Salford Lancashire Isaac Harris abt 1866 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Head Salford Lancashire Mary E Harris abt 1876 Salford, Lancashire, England Wife Salford Lancashire Source information: RG13/3737 Registration district: Salford Sub-registration district: Regent Road ED, institution, or vessel: 40 Folio: 19 Page: 30 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 179 Georgina.

Thanks Georgina, but I have just been told he was not born in Salford but in Chorlton. Phil

Phil these are all the Arthur Harris's on ancestry born in Lancashire between 1896-1900... Could he have had another first name? Arthur Harris abt 1899 Atherton, Lancashire, England Son Atherton Lancashire Arthur Harris abt 1899 Nelson, Lancashire, England Son Nelson Lancashire Arthur Harris abt 1897 Salford, Lancashire, England Son Pendleton Lancashire Arthur Harris abt 1899 Salford, Lancashire, England Son Salford Lancashire Arthur Harris abt 1899 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Son West Derby Lancashire Arthur A Harris abt 1897 Gorton, Lancashire, England Son Gorton Lancashire Arthur E Harris abt 1896 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Son West Derby Lancashire Arthur H Harris abt 1898 Chadderton, Lancashire, England Son Chadderton Lancashire Arthur W Harris abt 1898 Warrington, Lancashire, England Grandson Fulwood Lancashire Georgina.

Hi Georgina, His full name was Arthur Joseph Harris, he was definitely born 1898/1899 as I have his marriage to my great grandmother in 1919. Phil

Phil what was his mothers name? Georgina.

His mothers name was Mary Harris c1870. Phil

Phil this is the only Arthur with a mother Mary and she is a widow... Arthur Harris abt 1899 Nelson, Lancashire, England Son Nelson Lancashire George Harris abt 1897 Nelson, Lancashire, England Son Nelson Lancashire Mary J Harris abt 1863 Ireland Head Nelson Lancashire William H Harris abt 1892 Nelson, Lancashire, England Son Nelson Lancashire Georgina.

Phil what was Fred & Bertha's first child called? Georgina.

Fred and Birtha's first children were a set of twins called Fred and Birtha! born in 1894 in Weaste, Salford. Phil

Births Dec 1893 Hargreaves Bertha Salford 8d 180 Hargreaves Fred Salford Can I ask where you got their parents names from? As I have search everywhere and cannot find a marriage? Do you have one of the twins birth certificates or are you just going on family hearsay or censuses? (neither of which should be taken as fact) Suzanne

Phil I am the same as Suzanne and cant find a marriage. If I have the right man he has gone from being a Reporter to a Gravedigger and he was married before. Georgina.

1901: View Record Michael Green abt 1875 Ireland Boarder Pendleton Lancashire View Record Bertha Hargreaves abt 1872 Manchester, Lancashire, England Wife Pendleton Lancashire View Record Bertha Hargreaves abt 1894 Weaste, Lancashire, England Daughter Pendleton Lancashire View Record Fred Hargreaves abt 1852 Leicester, Leicestershire, England Head Pendleton Lancashire View Record Fred Hargreaves abt 1894 Weaste, Lancashire, England Son Pendleton Lancashire View Record Rosa Hargreaves abt 1895 Weaste, Lancashire, England Daughter Pendleton Lancashire 1891: Hargreaves, Fred abt 1858 Hinckley, Leicestershire, England Head Burnage Lancashire Hargreaves, Bertha abt 1869 Manchester Wife Burnage Lancashire Surname Forename1 Forename2 Forename3 Spouse District Page No Event Quarter Year View Image Match 1 Hargreaves Fred Burnley.8e 368 Marriage 3 1889 2 Hargreaves Fred Haslingden.8e 205 Marriage 2 1888 The only Bertha Brown marriage I can find is in Prescot - No hargreaves to compliment it. Well going on Bertha's birth dates from censuses she could only have married between say the years 1886 - 1895 (if she either married very young or married after the birth of twins - which has been known). Its a puzzle.

Arthur was actually born 1897: Births Jun 1897 Harris Arthur Joseph Middlesbrough 9d 600 Ages given on certificates and censuses can never be taken as 100% as a tip always look a few years either way. Suzanne

This looks promising: It was quite common for a Mary Ann to become Ann Mary and vice vresa. 1901 Census: Richard Harris abt 1863 Ollburg, Worcestershire, England Head Normanby Yorkshire Annie Harris abt 1869 Dudley, Staffordshire, England Wife Normanby Yorkshire Mary A Harris abt 1891 Barrow in Furness, Lancashire, England Daughter Normanby Yorkshire Arthur J Harris abt 1897 South Bank, Yorkshire, England Son Normanby Yorkshire Lily M Harris abt 1900 South Bank, Yorkshire, England Daughter Normanby Yorkshire Michael Donnely abt 1876 Scotland Boarder Normanby Yorkshire Suzanne

Births Dec 1890 Harris Mary Ann Barrow F. 8e 798 1891: Not too sure now? Harris, Richard abt 1863 Holebray, Wiltshire, England Head Barrow in Furness Lancashire Harris, Hannah abt 1869 Dudley, Staffordshire, England Wife Barrow in Furness Lancashire Harris, Mary A abt 1890 Barrow in Furness, Lancashire, England Daughter Barrow in Furness Lancashire It all depends on where you are getting your info from. Its going to be tricky just going on censuses as there are a lot of Harris's all over the the area, to be sure you need certs giving occupations and address etc - it all dpends on how accurate you want to be.