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Many thanks for that Kate. Its a possible even though she had two chidren by then. Worth a look though once the birth cert has come through and we have the fathers name. Cheers Jo

Sorry about the slip up about Journeyman. I meant travelling sales man, peddler etc. Jo

Just to point out that a journeyman was somebody who worked for his employer in the daytime and went home at night, so if he was a journeyman he would have been at home for the census! Kate.

Many thanks for that. It may be a search through 1837 for those Catherines marriage's. I am not convinced freeBMD is 100%. I will hold out for now and await the birth certificate of Alice. I will let you know how we get on. Many thanks for all your advice. Jo

I've managed to get on FreeBMD and have looked for all the Catherine marriages between 1881 - 1890 .... none are showing with CRAVEN ... back to drawing board ..... whilst you decide whether a birth cert is on order ! Elaine ;-)

Hi Jo ... I'm currently trying it from another angle ! 1881 has 3 Catherine's b Surbiton 1861 +/- 2 yrs. Catherine Allen b 1861 daughter, unmarried Catherine Richardson b 1859 daughter, unmarried Catherine Rose b 1859 daughter, unmarried It may help to either: a) Look for a possible marriage between Catherine Allen - Craven Catherine Richardson - Craven Catherine Rose - Craven B) Check 1891 to see if any of the above are still unmarried !........ I have noticed that on the 1891 census, Catherine has the middle initial T ..... so a look on FreeBMD (when its working properley) for a Catherine T ? b 1859 - 1863 Surbiton (2a) MAY throw up another 'possible' for Catherine's maiden name. Just a thought .... but a load of time and patience required ! Elaine ;-)

Its the marriage of Catherine ??? to ??? Craven we are looking for. Or Catherine Craven prior to 1891 on the assumption she never married. But we can find no trace. First child born c 1885. Many thanks Jo

Thanks for the birth information. Will keep it in hand. Have managed to trace the birth of Alice- Wandsworth Sept 1888 1d/697 and hoping that will give the fathers name. If not your posts will be useful. Jo

Why not order a birth cert of one of the children- you prob have these details already Jo Name: Craven, Nellie May Record Type: Births Quarter: December Year: 1891 District: Wandsworth County: London Surrey Volume: 1d Page: 703 Zoe xx

How old is Kate? 6 girls no boys..........no wonder the father was never at home!!

Birth for Ella would hopefully give fathers name. Name: Craven, Ella Marjie E Record Type: Births Quarter: March Year: 1894 District: Wandsworth County: London Surrey Volume: 1d Page: 751

Thanks FC This is the info we have for 1901. For 1891 ther is just Catherine and Katie ( Not on 1901) and young Alice aged 2 Jo

Catherine and the children are alone on the census's. Which means nothing as he could have been at sea or a journeyman. Just can't track him. Jo

1901 for REF Childrens birth places. Charles Bolt abt 1863 Boltor Bandurter Boarder Wandsworth London Emma Bolt abt 1871 Nottinghamshire, England Boarder Wandsworth London Alice H Craven abt 1889 Wandsworth, Surrey, England Daughter Wandsworth London Catherine Craven abt 1861 Lurbston, Surrey, England Wife Wandsworth London Dorothy A Craven abt 1897 Clapham Daughter Wandsworth London Ella M Craven abt 1894 Southfields Daughter Wandsworth London Elsa M Craven abt 1900 Eartsfield Daughter Wandsworth London Nellie M Craven abt 1892 Wandsworth Daughter Wandsworth London No husband mentioned but does say married.

Is the husband not mentioned on the 1891 OR 1901 ? If he is ...give us HIS name as well please Jo ....... (you must be getting tired babe ! .....(it's all that hard work helping other people !) Elaine ;-0

Pulling our hair out here. Getting nowhere. Catherine Craven born 1861 in Surbiton according to 1891 census - lost two years by 1901 census. Children Katie 1886 (But not on the 1901 census) Alice 1889, Dorothy 1897, Ella 1894, Elsa 1894, Nellie 1892. I cannot find a marriage. If she did not marry with all those children, I cannot find her before 1891 cenus. can anyone help - Please !!!! Jo