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..but do bear in mind Beryl was born in Ilford essex and that her mothers maiden name was Suckling....

Errrm .... yep, ... bit of a puzzler ! OK, lets presume that a) Mum WAS named Jacqueline Harmer at birth b) she WAS born in Sept 1942 1 ... Check Sept and Dec qtr's 1942 ..... and also check March, June and Sept 1943 as well.... for a Jacqueline. Chances are, that BECAUSE her Grandma brought her up, she was registered VERY late. I see from a previous reply ... that a Mary G was registered with MMN Harmer .... this could be the actual registration of the birth .... and everyone called her Jacqueline ... I do know from experience that you don't have to register a name change. I've personally had my surname changed 3 times since 1977 ... and never once done officially, so I know it can be done. I also had a passport in two of the names. However, I have never tried to get married, so what the rules are about identification when you aply to get married either now or back in 1975 etc I can't actually give advise on I'm afraid. Susan, If your Mum is available, can you ask her ehat identification she needed (and if required) when she applied to get married ? Elaine ;-)

Susan - just had a thought after reading through this thread...what if your gran's daughter, Beryl, had a love child, named her Beryl on her birth cert, but then your gran decided (for whatever reason) that she would bring up the baby as her own and then changed the baby name from Beryl to Jacqueline in order for it not to look odd having two daughters with same name? I know it's a long shot but stranger things have happened... ...or am I totally muddled up with all these names LOL

I'm here !!!! Just let me catch up on thread ! ... automatically came to last reply ! Elaine ;-)

Oct/nov/dec Qtr 1843 Harmer Gillian= Lambeth Jean =durham jean=Leek **Mary G = cheltenham MMN= Harmer......6a 655 patricia=Kensington vera = Surrey. Come back Dancer......!!

I hve to go out too, will look again later although i wouldnt hold your breath. unless you know that jacqueline was deffo the daughter of one of your grandmothers other daughters she could have been anyones child and have been given any name under the sun when she was born

They were married in St Thomas church in Ensbury park winton Bournemouth I think that Evelyn c1925 the younger sister was the mother

Gotta go out. I'll be back later. Elaine ;-)

so where did they marry

My mum married my dad Anthony Collins in around 1959/1960. Thankyou for your help.

so when she married, she was Miss Jacqueline Harmer and married Mr Collins. YES? when was that.

This is what I cant understand. this is the name she grew up with and it is on her marriage certificate. Do you think I should call the gro and let them do a search? The strange thing is Beryl was her 'sisters' name. I think that my gt Grandma christened her this and later changed it

there is No jacqueline harmer born around then. is Harmer your mothers married name or the one she grew up with?

Hi I am here! I just sent a text. I was looking at ww1 deaths yes please a jacqueline harmer trace would be excellent for sept 16th 1942 Thanks

susan...??

if you want me to check that for you, send the details of your name and birth date and where you were born in a PRIVATE MESSAGE to me and i will check it for you as you go.

Susan, Check YOUR birth entry on 1837online ... this will give you your Mum's MAIDEN surname. This is the surname your Mum had at birth. Then you can check for your mum's birth entry under THAT surname. Elaine ;-) For females: Maiden Name= Surname at Birth Married Name= Surname of Husband And your doing FINE using this reply thread peeps x

whose married name is Harmer? your mothers.......??

have just looked up that Beryl M Harmer on 1837, mothers maiden name was SUCLIKNG and she was born in Ilford Essex,- is that likely??

hi Thanks for your help. Her married name is Harmer. I will try the later quater. oct/nov/dec , sorry I am not very good as using this reply thread. . thanks again Suz