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Hi Gerry, That was a John born 1871 wasn't it? Zoe

Elaine, I don't mean to silly but what is an old hat, I think you mean I am ok at at it but I am not and I wouldn't have got as far as I have without all your help. I really mean that and want to thank everyone. My head is not as good as a lot of heads and when I ask its just that I can't see beyond the letters and need help. I hope you don't stop as I appreciate it so much and need it. All my family seem to not want to be found any way. Thanks all Zoe x

Hi Georgina, Yep ... I went on IGI 1881 census and searched for James with father Henry. Bought up a few 'possible's but since none of the James's were actually born in 1871 ... and because we don't actually know when or where Henry was born, I didn't like to start throwing 'further' problems into the ring !! I fancied the 'Hawker' Henry (don't know why !!) but I do know that Zoe is an old hat with Genealogy, so I will leave my best wishes on this thread !.......and keep my fingers well and truely crossed for a miraculous sign from somewhere ! Nite all Elaine ;-)

Here is a Henry and a James (son) in 1871: View Record Emily J Hawkins abt 1859 Stafford, Staffordshire, England Daughter St Mary Staffordshire View Record George Hawkins abt 1868 Stafford, Staffordshire, England Son St Mary Staffordshire View Record Henry Hawkins abt 1836 Stafford, Staffordshire, England Head St Mary Staffordshire View Record James Hawkins abt 1862 Stafford, Staffordshire, England Son St Mary Staffordshire View Record John Hawkins abt 1871 Stafford, Staffordshire, England Son St Mary Staffordshire View Record Mary A Hawkins abt 1839 Stafford, Staffordshire, England Wife St Mary Staffordshire View Record William Hawkins abt 1860 Stafford, Staffordshire, England Son St Mary Staffordshire

No only Charles Hodgkinson and Emma Whatley (who was sis wife aunty). I am not going to get anywhere am I. Just break it to me now, only joking just another brick wall for me I think I only know my grandparents. I am so bloody unlucky to have a dodgy family. Thanks though. Zoe :)))))

This is the Henry Andrew that Gerry posted in 1901 but he is a Baker.. Andrew Hawkins abt 1837 Farnham, Surrey, England Head Selborne Hampshire Ruth Hawkins abt 1876 Selbourne, Hampshire, England Daughter Selborne Hampshire Charles Seals abt 1867 Aldershot, Hampshire, England Son-in-law Selborne Hampshire Jemima Seals abt 1873 Headley, Hampshire, England Daughter-in-law Selborne Hampshire Georgina.

Oh I forgot to add it said that Henry Andrew Hawkins was an Engine driver. Zoe :)

Oh Zoe, I don't envy you at all with this dilemna. S'pose there is more than just a few James Hawkins born during 1871 as well ... so that would cost a fortune. Any witnesses on his Marriage cert that could give a clue ? Elaine ;-)

1881 Census Match Quality View Record Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Relationship Residence View Image View Record Charles H.W. Hawkins abt 1870 Alton, Hampshire, England Son Buckshorn Oak Lane, Binsted, Hampshire, England View Record Henry Andrew Hawkins abt 1837 Wrecclesham, Surrey, England Head Buckshorn Oak Lane, Binsted, Hampshire, England View Record Jane Hawkins abt 1841 Chichester, Sussex, England Wife Buckshorn Oak Lane, Binsted, Hampshire, England View Record Jemima Hawkins abt 1872 Headley, Hampshire, England Daughter Buckshorn Oak Lane, Binsted, Hampshire, England View Record Ruth Hawkins abt 1876 Blackmore Selborne, Hampshire, England Daughter Buckshorn Oak Lane, Binsted, Hampshire

Elaine according to freeBMD Henry Andrew Hawkins was 69 when he died in 1906. There is this family in 1881.... Household: Henry HAWKINS Head M Male 38 Berkshire, England Riveter (Boiler Maker) Sarah HAWKINS Wife M Female 30 Millwall, Middlesex, England Housekeeper Sarah HAWKINS Daur U Female 19 Millwall, Middlesex, England Juvenile Suit Hand Rosina HAWKINS Daur U Female 15 Millwall, Middlesex, England At Home Henry HAWKINS Son U Male 13 Poplar, Middlesex, England Scholar James HAWKINS Son U Male 9 Bromley, Middlesex, England Scholar Frederick HAWKINS Son U Male 6 Bromley, Middlesex, England Scholar Emily HAWKINS Daur U Female 1 m Bromley, Middlesex, England Infant Source Information: Dwelling 8 Brunswick Rd Census Place London, Middlesex, England Family History Library Film 1341112 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 0503 / 39 Page Number 11 Georgina.

Hi Georgina, James was a hall porter when he got married but I do know they lived in the Royal Insurance Buildings in Sheffield, so maybe a change of job from when he was younger. Not really a profession. Hi Elaine, I have seen another Henry on the census from Alton and ruled him out. Maybe if I could find James birth details would be able to trace his parents but don't know where he was originally from. Oh hard work, eh Zoe :))

Might this help ? Deaths Sep 1906 Hawkins Henry Andrew (69) Alton 2c 96 Alton Created 1st July 1837. Sub-districts : Alton; Binsted GRO volumes : VII (1837-51); 2c (1852-1930). Alton, Bentley, Bentworth, Binstead, Chawton, Coldrey, East Tisted, East Worldham, Farringdon, Froyle, Grayshott, Hartley Mauditt, Headley (from 1869), Holybourne, Kingsley (from 1869), Lasham, Medstead, Neatham, Newton Valence, Selborne, Shalden, West Worldham, Whitehill, Wield. Having NO idea of his age at or when he died does hinder investigations !!! .....but I will check for a Henry Hawkins on the 1881/91/01 census's b c1837, see if any have a James for a son ! Elaine ;-) ..Long shot I know ! Elaine ;-)

Zoe what did James do for a living? Georgina.

Hi Gerry, My nan says he was from Strood, Kent. I can't take her word on it though he might have lived there at some point. In 1917 when hi sson James married he had died on the marriage cert and James was living in Sheffield. Regards Zoe :)

any idea where the Hawkins people were born Zoe? Gerry

Hi, I am really struggling with this, my family are so hard to find. I wondered if any one can help me find Henry Andrew Hawkins born ? his son was called James Hawkins born 1871 and married a Rosa Twyman on the 4/8/1917 in sheffield. Many thanks for any help Zoe