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Think your getting my meaning wrong again , more than one way to skin a cat. There's no guarantee she appears on any census with her second husband after all but we did know she was married previously. I had the 2 names a rough idea of where and when just thought it was the easiest and quickest request as i wanted it for certificate purposes I have since looked myself and indeed could not locate her with the second husband I certainly do not underestimate Genes members and you have both helped with my requests on many occasions,and as i said in my previous posting Thank you. Regards Mike

I think, Mike, that you are under-estimating the GR members who have tried to help you. Reg

Michael Sorry I don't understand what do you mean that some people only think there is one person of that name!! As I said before the censuses give you a idea of the people you are looking for. Nearly everyone uses censuses to track them and from that info they then are able to find BMD certs that match their people.. I presume you have access to all the censuses and know how to find your relatives when you look for them! Regards Zoe

Marriage June Qtr 1856 Liverpool 8b 24 Thomas Brockbank Ellen Dallis Now i know the correct people to look for on the census Tried the other way and the majority of the time it's ok,but on occasions sends you miles down the wrong track ,people for some reason on occasions think that the ' NAME ' that you are looking for is the only one that exists.Funnily enough one in question was Ellens second husband. Thank you all once again Regards Mike

Michael It is much easier to trace the births and marriages of families if you follow them through the censuses. Then you have years and birth places to guide you. So the best thing to do is look through all the censuses until you find her as a Brockbank then you will find husbands christian name. And then that should make it easier to find marriage. Then you will have her fathers name then you should be able to catch her with family in the 1841/1851 census. Hope this makes sense you need a trail to lead back.... Most people use the censuses so they can order the certs according to the info they can get from them. Then you know you are on the right trail to order the correct certs if not it's hit and miss!! Regards Zoe

The point of finding them in the census is that you will learn the birthplace and age of Ellen, which you say you do not know. As most women married in their home town, it would make looking for her first marriage a bit easier........... Reg

I'm sorry everybody appears to be miss reading the request I am not looking for the second husband or the daughter, i know these i have the certificate dated 1865 i am trying to find her previous marriage prior to this date ( 1865 ),as i stated in the posting. For the record her second husbands name was Samuel Dawson, and it was him who i was originally following to gain the cert in the first place, It is Ellen Dallas's marriage i was trying to locate to a ?????? Brockbank ( The spelling on the cert ) as it was her name's and previous marriage that were the surprise. Sorry about any confusion caused Regards Mike

Mike I think you need to find them in 1881, which is free on www.familysearch.org Then you can give a bit more in the way of detail which will be helpful. Reg

Who was her second husband what was his profession? And what is the child's name? As these are not included in your post thanks Zoe

The daughters name and her fathers name are not in the posting.

I'm sorry Zoe all the info is in the posting

Hi Reg This is the first posting i have made with regard to Ellen and as of yet have not asked about a census lookup Regards Mike

Tell us the info on the cert and we can track them for you! And get you the census info then the certs would be easier to find! Zoe

Have only just received the certificate so have no census information at all,i thought that frree bmd only has the same info as Lancs or Cheshire Bmd

Have you tried to find any of these people on a census? Reg

F.C great minds think alike eh!! LOL Zoe

Ok do you have her in the 1871 census or any other? Zoe

Do you have Ellen with second husband on the 1871 census? If not what is Daughters Name, year of birth and place of birth. ? What is Ellen's second husbands name?

Have you tried FREEBMD ? With the surname Brockbank ...it's likely to be transcribed. Her age should be on the 1871 census. ( to find Year of birth)

Have you tried ANcestry yet? They have the GRO indexes online for free... births marriages and deaths.