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Thanks, you learn something new every day. Gloria

It is a cd form that is available with quite a lot of the baptism marriage and Death info on British Vital Records Index Mo

Don't mean to show my ignorance---but what does Bivri stand for? Gloria

Hi Gloria I have put up a request for a Bivri Lookup hopefully that will come back with that same one that we have just been looking at and hopefully not thousands of other possibles Mo

Gloria Great minds must think alike ...... I have just been having a look at that but I suspect that he was from a litle higher than Newcastle.. Callerton I know is just top end of Newcastle Mo

is this what you want IGI Individual Record FamilySearch™ International Genealogical Index v5.0 British Isles Search Results | Download | Pedigree JOSEPH SHOTTON Male - Event(s): Birth: 15 NOV 1830 Christening: 27 JAN 1831 St Andrews Brunswick Pl Formerly Orphan Hse-Wesl Mnew, Newcastle Upon Tyne, Northumberland, England Death: Burial: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Parents: Father: JOHN SHOTTON Family Mother: MARY -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type: C080551 1786 - 1837 0825355 (RG4 2834) Film 6905763 Film Sheet: 00 Gloria

Gloria Tell me about it I am gonna put another thread up and ask if someone can do the Bivri records for any baptisms for a Joseph Shotton born to John for around 1830 and see if that gets me anywhere.. Thanks for bouncing some ideas.. Keep thinking Mo

Mo, I have just got dizzy looking for either Elizabeth on 1851 but zilch, thought I had the younger once, right age, wrong family. He must have been a fast worker if he buried one in June and then married another in August, not an impossibility though. Gloria---getting dizzier by the minute

I have just looked at the deaths on freebmd too and there is an Elizabeth Shotton died in the Deaths Jun 1855 Shotton Elizabeth Tynemouth 10b 81 and them he marries again in the August of 1855 which is a possibility also I had'nt checked on Family search for a baptism... Hrmmmm Confused as ever now Mo

Found this which is interesting IGI Individual Record FamilySearch™ International Genealogical Index v5.0 British Isles Search Results | Download | Pedigree ELIZABETH ANN SHOTTON Female ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s): Birth: 08 SEP 1853 Christening: 06 NOV 1853 Gateshead, Durham, England Death: Burial: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Parents: Father: JOSEPH SHOTTON Family Mother: MARIA Gloria

Gloria I have just been looking at Free Bmd and a Joseph Shotton and Elizabeth Burn were married in the March qtr of 1850 This has got me so puzzled....because even if she had died in Childbirth the child Elizabeth would still have shown up in the household with Joseph or a Joseph and Elizabeth would have shown up on the 1851 Census Any Ideas... I am starting to run out... Mo

Hi Gloria I have thought about that too in getting her birth cert... but I am 70%sure that it is his first child and not hers.... the line actually follows Mary Ann Lairds son Joseph and I am on trying to piece together this early info..just for records sake and basically to try and tie in this loose end... If I can help it I dont want to get her birth cert.. but it might just have to come to that.. Mo

Just a thought, but could the Elizabeth be her daughter and not his, would be interesting to get her birth cert !!!! Just looked at the image for 1861 and it looks as though the transcriber was writing something else and then put daug over it. Gloria

Hi Elaine thanks for that one but I have seen him tooo but cannot tie him in to what I know about the family

Gloria I have that one earmarked as being the right man... That is exactly as to what has me puzzled There is defo a child Eliz in the household in 1861.. I know there is a chance of the marriage taken place just after the census and the child being born early lol But I also have the marriage cert for the Laird Wilson mariage and that gives the father's name as John I think I am going to need the 1841 Northumberland to confirm the father..... is John to the head of the house called Mary Hrmmm also the grandson Thomas is born in the right place as to where the families were later on... Mo

1851 Ann Gibson abt 1847 Gateshead, Durham, England Daughter Gateshead Durham Henry Gibson abt 1845 Gateshead, Durham, England Son Gateshead Durham Jane Gibson abt 1827 Gateshead, Durham, England Head Gateshead Durham Robert Maddinson abt 1829 Gateshead, Durham, England Lodger Gateshead Durham Joesph Shotton abt 1829 Gateshead, Durham, England Lodger Gateshead Durham Joseph unmarried - occupation mason

Could this be the 1851 View Record George Shotton abt 1821 Gateshead, Durham, England Son Kyo Laws Durham View Record Hannah Shotton abt 1832 Newburn, Northumberland, England Daughter Kyo Laws Durham *****View Record Joseph Shotton abt 1831 Newburn, Northumberland, England Son Kyo Laws Durham View Record Mary Shotton abt 1788 Newburn, Northumberland, England Head Kyo Laws Durham View Record Thomas Shotton abt 1849 Coxhoe, Durham, England Grandson Kyo Laws Durham He is a coalminer Gloria

I have this family on the 1861 and 1871 Census and I have been trying to locate the family on the 1851 but so far the family are being elusive Married in 1855 but doesn't account for the Child Elizabeth born in 1851 making me think he has been married before On the 1861 Census. Joseph and Mary Jane were living at 17 Burnhope, Durham. Joseph Shotton, head, married, aged 30, Occ. Coalminer, born Ponteland, Durham. Mary Jane Shotton, wife,married, aged 28, born Bishopwearmouth, Durham. Elizabeth, dau, aged 10, born ?, Northumberland. George, son, aged 4, born Bishop Auckland, Durham. John, son, aged 2, born North Shields, Northumberland. Joseph, son, aged 3 Months, born Sunnybrow, Durham. On the 1871 Census. Joseph and Mary Ann were living at Inkermanns Cottages, Wolsingham, Durham. Joseph Shotton, head, married, aged 41, Occ. Coalminer, born Callerton, Durham. Mary Ann Shotton, wife, married, aged 39, born Sunderland, Durham. George, son, aged 16, Occ. Coalminer, born Newfield, Durham. John, son, aged 14, Occ. Coalminer, born ? Northumberland. Joseph, son, aged 10, scholar, born Sunnybrow, Durham. Hannah, dau, aged 6, scholar, born Shield Row, Durham. Mary Hannah, aged 1 Month, born Tow Law, Durham. I am trying to get my head around the family after this census in 1876 he marries a woman called Martha Gardiner and I have the entries for them also I think he has also been married pre Mary Ann Laird nee Wilson to a possible Elizabeth Burn?? Making 3 marriages in total.. On all the census he gives his Birthplace as Callerton, Northumberland Mo

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