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A couple of days ago I asked if anyone could help trace a missing great great grandmother and her youngest child on death certificates. Someone kindly found the child Amys birth and death both in 1871 registered in Stockton. Her mother ELLEN KIDGER is showing up on 1871 census as 38 and living with husband George and her baby daughter + 4 other children. On 1881 census, she is missing, we have established that the baby died. Her husband is living in lodgings but states he's married, his 2 eldest are married, his next youngest his living in lodgings and his youngest 15yr old daughter is living with her aunty. This all smacks of his wife being dead but no sign of her death (and lots of people checked). I've now looked again and found an ELIZABETH KIDGER AGE 39 dying in quarter after baby and registered also in Stockton. Could there be an ouside chance of it being her and if so, how on earth do I check. HELP

It's possible her full name was Elizabeth Ellen. Would this be the right family on the 1861? Charles Kidger abt 1857 Staveley, Derbyshire, England Son Whittington Derbyshire Elizabeth Kidger abt 1834 Thrussington, Leicestershire, England Wife Whittington Derbyshire George Kidger abt 1829 Thorpe Acre, Leicestershire, England Head Whittington Derbyshire Henry Kidger abt 1852 Thorpe Acre, Leicestershire, England Son Whittington Derbyshire Mary Kidger abt 1855 Thorpe Acre, Leicestershire, England Daughter Whittington Derbyshire Rose

One of my Mums was missing from family home in the census but found her in a hospital, she then died a little later. Good Luck Irene

In 1861 George's wife is showing up as ELizabeth born c1834 THrussington - same timeframe and location as wife Ellen in 1871 so I'd say you have the same woman

I never considered it could be her second name(told you I didn't know what I was doing) I will I check her birth as she was born approx 1833. THis is where I get confused once you take the internet from me. She was born in Thrussington in Leicestershire. No idea where that is and certianly couldn't get to records office. What I don't want to do is keep buying certificates for people who may not be related. As regards the reply re someone being in hospital or possibly a mental institution. Were census records taken there?

You might just have to send for the certificate and see if the Husbands details match.

and again in 1851 she is calling herself ELizabeth: Elizabeth Kidger abt 1831 Thrussington, Leicestershire, England Wife Dishley with Thorpe Acre Leicestershire George Kidger abt 1829 Thorpe Acre, Leicestershire, England Head Dishley with Thorpe Acre Leicestershire

Thanks I hadn't checked the 1861, not got to that yet. Shes definitely Ellen on 1871 but rest of the family is correct apart from Mary who isn't on 1871 census. I wasn't going to subscribe to Ancestry again until 1841 on line but I feel a subscription coming on. It will save money on the birth cert anyway.. Thanks everyone

Found a possible marriage record. George Kidger and Elizabeth Preston Sept Qtr 1850 in Loughborough, Leicestershire. Vol 15, Page 183 Thorpe Acre is a subdistrict of Loughborough. Found this record on the IGI ELIZABETH PRESTON Christening: 30 JUN 1833 Thrussington, Leicester, England Parent: Samuel Preston and Martha Thrussington is in the Barrow upon Soar district. Rose

Jennifer it may be worth asking if anyone has access to teh 1841 for THrussington, LEICS. I've searched all teh census for just plain Elizabeth born Thrussington 1834 +/-1 year - there only appears to be three of them at most. For such a common forename to have so few people i'd guess Thrussington isnt that large so finding out the parents names and then eliminating the ones still single in 1851 could give you the girl you're after. Zoe

It's possible ... yes, very possible. My ancestor died the month after her baby ... she died of Puperual Fever (sp) ... it's an infection Mum's got after giving birth .... Elaine ;-0

Jennifer Regarding baby Ammay/Amy, we have not ESTABLISHED that she died, its quite likely the death ref I found was her, but unless you actually get the cert you can't be 100% sure. nell

Sorry only just got back on the computer. The marriage you found between Elizabeth and George having Preston as her surname is surreal. I'm getting haunted by the name Preston. Georges son Fred (my great grandfather) married a Ruth so making her Kidger. When she died after giving birth to her fifth child her death certificate was registered as Ruth Kidger-Preston. I wondered if her maiden name was Preston, but having established where her birth certificate was and even being given the ref number, the register office now say its not there, only a death certificate of a Mary Kidger in the same quarter, I an getting extremely confused and frustrated.

Is the birth reference also on the GRO indexes? If so, then you could just order the birth certificate through the GRO instead of the register office. As for Ellen / Elizabeth, just let me read your thread through again... Kate.

Right, is the only evidence you have that her name was Ellen the 1871 census, or do you have a birth certificate of one of her children giving her name as Ellen? Because you will sometimes find that a person's name on the census is a nickname, rather than their official 'certificate' name. So it looks as though Elizabeth was her official name, but she was (sometimes) called Ellen by her family. Kate.

Ellen was her name just on the 1871 census so maybe it was a pet name. She called her daughter Ellen as well and my mums name was Ellen. Sorry to appear stupid, (as I say I'm feeling my way around this. but how do you order certificates from the GRO (I take it that means general register office?) No don't laugh

Go to this website: http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/ and you will see what to do. But before ordering the certificate, search on the GRO indexes to get the quarter, district, volume, and page number, as this will mean the certificate only costs £7; it will cost more if you don't have these details. When you have them, you can check the box for 'Is the GRO Reference known?' and then all you have to put in is the person's name, year, quarter, district, volume and page number. (There are boxes for other information but you don't have to enter that.) Kate.

A good website for obscure places/ villages is: www(dot)ukvillages(dot)co(dot)uk amazing how many times a starnge place turn out to be a hamlet 3 miles up the road from ones you know & love!! julie