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Hi, I was wondering if anyone could tell me what happened to Robinson TOYNE after his marriage to Martha Guilert in 1860. In the 1881 census Martha is listed as widowed, but I haven't been able to find Robinson's death registered any where. Would she be classed as widowed in them days, if they were divorced ? They lived around the Goole/Thorne area if this is of any help Cheers Graham

Unless they were stinking rich and virtually aristocracy, I think it extremely remote that they would be divorced. However, it is perfectly possible that they split up and even that Robinson went through a bigamous marriage with someone else, or at least lived with someone described as a wife on censuses etc. Have you tried searching by first name and birthplace only or by second name and birthplace only? Virtually all my family have been mistranscribed at some time or other. nell

When you say you havent' found Robinson's death anywhere, have you been through every single quarter of every single year between 1871 and 1881? Or is he missing in 1871 too? nell

Whose this? 1871 Robinson Toyne abt 1829 Willowton, Lincolnshire, England Head Brightside Bierlow Yorkshire Susana Toyne abt 1838 Kirton in Lindsey, Lincolnshire, England Wife Brightside Bierlow Yorkshire I can't see Martha in 1871 or 1881. nell

Me neither, can you post her 1881 details? strangely, can't get image up for Robinson in 1871??

Is this her 1881 Ana Mary Stringwell abt 1878 Luddington, Lincoln, England Daughter B Bell Cottages, Luddington, Lincolnshire, England Eden Stringwell abt 1866 Luddington, Lincoln, England Daughter B Bell Cottages, Luddington, Lincolnshire, England Maria Stringwell abt 1879 Luddington, Lincoln, England Daughter B Bell Cottages, Luddington, Lincolnshire, England Richard Stringwell abt 1837 Norton, Yorkshire, England Head B Bell Cottages, Luddington, Lincolnshire, England Richard Stringwell abt 1878 Luddington, Lincoln, England Son B Bell Cottages, Luddington, Lincolnshire, England Samuel Stringwell abt 1877 Luddington, Lincoln, England Son B Bell Cottages, Luddington, Lincolnshire, England William Stringwell abt 1871 Luddington, Lincoln, England Son B Bell Cottages, Luddington, Lincolnshire, England ---------------- Martha Toyne abt 1837 Luddington, Lincoln, England Housekeeper B Bell Cottages, Luddington, Lincolnshire, England

The Martha Carrie found is a widow, but I can't find her, using those birth details, on 1871. nell

Nell Can you get 1871 Image up of Robinson? wondering if sarah is actually Martha? and want his occ is, maybe something in Boats/Fishing, so poss died at sea. Carrie

Yes, your correct with the STRINGWELL family. This is the Martha, I'm trying to sort out. and I've done the checks mentioned in the ealier message, but I'm still stumped. In the 1871 census Martha is listed as BOUSE with Richard (STRINDELL) & Eaden TOYNE Cheers Graham

Graham Do you know what robinson's occupation? Carrie

1861: Robinson is shown as married, but no sign of Martha: Thomas Toyne abt 1801 Carlton, Lincolnshire, England Head Willoughton Lincolnshire Ann Toyne abt 1805 Fenton, Lincolnshire, England Wife Willoughton Lincolnshire Robinson Toyne abt 1829 Willoughton, Lincolnshire, England Son Willoughton Lincolnshire Amuel Senescal abt 1818 Blyton, Lincolnshire, England Visitor Willoughton Lincolnshire Mary Ann Senescal abt 1817 Gainsborough, Lincolnshire, England Visitor Willoughton Lincolnshire (both Robinson & Thomas were ag labs). Richard

Here's Martha in 1861 - she'd gone back to mum & dad: John Gillard abt 1809 Cawthorpe, Lincolnshire, England Head Luddington Lincolnshire Mary Gillard abt 1805 Whittingham, Lincolnshire, England Wife Luddington Lincolnshire William Hall abt 1849 Luddington, Lincolnshire, England Grandson Luddington Lincolnshire Martha Toyn abt 1838 Luddington, Lincolnshire, England Daughter Luddington Lincolnshire Thomas John Toyn abt 1860 Luddington, Lincolnshire, England Grandson Luddington Lincolnshire

He didn't die until 1900 - so Martha was lying on the 1881! Name: Toyne, Robinson Record Type: Deaths Age at death: 70 Quarter: June Year: 1900 District: Ecclesall Bierlow County: Derbyshire West Riding of Yorkshire Volume: 9c Page: 239

1st marriage, to Martha: Marriages Jun 1860 Guilert Martha Goole 9c 675 TOYNE Robinson Goole 9c 675 2nd marriage, to Susannah: Marriages Dec 1869 Blow Susannah Sheffield 9c 579 TOYNE Robinson Sheffield 9c 579 3rd marriage???? Marriages Sep 1888 Royston Charles Lawrence Ecclesall B 9c 351 Toyne Robinson Ecclesall 9c 351 Walker Elizabeth Ecclesall B. 9c 351 WILSON Martha Ecclesall B. 9c 351

Thanks for the information, I'll try and sort it all out later !!! Cheers Graham

...and 1891 he was a carter by this time Mathar Tyone abt 1823 Darnall, Yorkshire, England Wife Heeley Yorkshire Robinson Tyone abt 1822 Not Known, Lincolnshire, England Head Heeley Yorkshire she was previously married too 1881 William Oldham abt 1872 Sheffield, Yorkshire, England Grandson 18 Well Road, Heeley, Yorkshire, England Martha Wilson abt 1824 Darnall, Yorkshire, England Wife 18 Well Road, Heeley, Yorkshire, England Thomas Wilson abt 1827 Sheffield, Yorkshire, England Head 18 Well Road, Heeley, Yorkshire, England

looking for him in 1881 and failing - have found a connection with Kirton in Lindsay.looks as though his bro/son (?) lives there V Alfred Smithson abt 1862 Sheffield Boarder Park St., Scunthorpe, Lincolnshire, England George Torn abt 1870 Scunthorpe, Lincoln, England Son Park St., Scunthorpe, Lincolnshire, England Mary A. Torn abt 1850 Kirton In Lindsey Wife Park St., Scunthorpe, Lincolnshire, England Ruth Torn abt 1875 Scunthorpe, Lincoln, England Daughter Park St., Scunthorpe, Lincolnshire, England Thomas E. Torn abt 1880 Scunthorpe, Lincoln, England Son Park St., Scunthorpe, Lincolnshire, England William Torn abt 1864 Holme, Lincoln, England Son Park St., Scunthorpe, Lincolnshire, England George Toyn abt 1840 Kirton In Lindsey Head Park St., Scunthorpe, Lincolnshire, England

Just to say that my g-g-grandmother describes herself as a widow on the 1891 census, even though her husband is living a few doors away, describing himself as married (without a wife)! Kate.