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Hi Maz glad you got it sorted. Georgina.

Thank you everyone for your help, Francis, Helena and family have now been found !!! A HUGE thank you to Chris who pm'd me. Francis' surname was transcribed as GORSLINE !!!! Sister Helena is there, and Caroline Naylor. Oh and parents are as Georgina said, so thank you loads for those details too. Need to go and break the news to f-i-l that he isn't anywhere near as Irish as he thinks lol lol !!! THANK YOU again!! Maz. XX

Hi Georgina! I found another lot of Dowlings - John born Castle Connell Ireland and Mary A born Dublin Ireland - in 1881 living in Camberwell. He is a British Army pensioner. This is f-i-l's family and he sez that his gt grandfather (Francis' father) was from Ireland. Apparently Francis told him so. I think I was so excited by the Army bit (and possiblities from there) that I got a bit carried away with myself. I really will wait now until the cert comes I think, as otherwise I am going to be guessing and hunching. Thank you so very much for your help - I will remember to come back on the thread and let you know the outcome! Maz. XX

Maz this is an entry from the IGI... Francis Dowling Male Event(s): Birth: 13 SEP 1876 , , Ireland Parents: Father: Michael Dowling Mother: Maria Dowling Reddy Georgina.

Maz on the 1861 census there is another daughter.. Amelia Naylor abt 1859 Camberwell, Surrey, England Daughter Camberwell Surrey Caroline J Naylor abt 1822 Lewisham Wife Camberwell Surrey Henry B Naylor abt 1819 Lambeth, Surrey, England Head Camberwell Surrey Louisa Naylor abt 1849 Camberwell, Surrey, England Daughter Camberwell Surrey Mary Ann Ellen Naylor abt 1854 Camberwell, Surrey, England Daughter Camberwell Surrey Rebecca Naylor abt 1860 Camberwell, Surrey, England Daughter Camberwell Surrey Roberts Seyers Naylor abt 1850 Peckham, Surrey, England Son Camberwell Surrey Source information: RG9/379 Registration district: Camberwell Sub-registration district: Camberwell ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Folio: 96 Page: 1 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 2 GSU Number: 542626 So who is it that you think is Francis's mother? Georgina.

Actually I'd better look again as I have different parents for Francis! I have now ordered his birth cert too. ok there seem to be 2 possible J W Dowlings - this will have to wait until birth cert comes with father's occupation. We were told that John was born in Ireland - the one that Georgina has found wasn't and neither was his father (1861 census) so what a quandary lol!! Must be patient!! Maz. XX

Georgina you are a star!! I was going to try and find how the Naylor's linked in today. I imagined John and Mary Ann getting married in Ireland as they were both born there - well according to 1881/91 that I have! There is another Dowling/Naylor marriage later and one of Francis' sons has it as a middle name! Thank you sooooo much!! Maz. XX ps I still wonder where he is in 1891 though!!

This is Francis & Helena's parents on the 1881 census... Grace Dowling abt 1881 Norbiton, Surrey, England Daughter 3 Alexandra Terrace, Kingston On Thames, Surrey, England J.W. Dowling abt 1854 Bermondsey, Surrey, England Head 3 Alexandra Terrace, Kingston On Thames, Surrey, England Mary A.H. Dowling abt 1854 Camberwell, Surrey, England Wife 3 Alexandra Terrace, Kingston On Thames, Surrey, England Source information: RG11/0832 Registration district: Kingston Sub-registration district: Kingston ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Folio: 25 Page: 1 Georgina.

Just to say that I can't keep my eyes open so am off to bed now. I will acknowledge any replies in the morning. Thanks for your help. Maz. XX

Maz I went back to the 1871 census to see who was living with Caroline Naylor. 1871 census... Amelia Naylor abt 1859 Camberwell, Surrey, England Daughter Camberwell St Giles Surrey Caroline Naylor abt 1822 Lewisham, Kent, England Head Camberwell St Giles Surrey Louisa Naylor abt 1847 Camberwell, Surrey, England Daughter Camberwell St Giles Surrey Mary A J Naylor abt 1854 Camberwell, Surrey, England Daughter Camberwell St Giles Surrey Robt Segers abt 1849 Camberwell, Surrey, England Son Camberwell St Giles Surrey Source information: RG10/723 Registration district: Camberwell Sub-registration district: Camberwell ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Folio: 21 Page: 1 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 2 GSU Number: 823350 Then I had to find a marriage for one of the Naylor daughters to a Dowling... Marriages Mar 1872 Dowling John William Camberwell 1d 761 HOPKINSON Mary Jane Camberwell 1d 761 Naylor Mary Ann H Camberwell 1d 761 Watson George Camberwell 1d 761 Georgina.

Thanks Kath, I'll put that one on my short-list! Maz. XX

Long shot I know, but could he be using his middle name. The age is out a bit, but he is a lodger and single and born in Peckham:- John Dowling abt 1871 Peckham, Kent, England Lodger Maidstone Kent Kath. x

that's them Georgina - can't find Helena either in 1891 - but I suppose she may have died. I know Francis was definitely alive though! Maz. XX ps sorry - maybe I should have added the 1881 myself

1881 census for reference. Caroline NAYLOR Head W Female 59 Penge, Kent, England Monthly Nurse (S/M) Francis J. DOWLING Grandson Male 6 Peckham, Surrey, England Scholar Helena M. DOWLING Grand Daughter Female 4 Peckham, Surrey, England Source Information: Dwelling 2 Elm Road Census Place Kingston On Thames, Surrey, England Family History Library Film 1341196 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 0832 / 38 Page Number 27

lol he was down as a 'Poulterer's Assistant' - an early KFC maybe !!! Thanks for looking! Maz. XX

What was his occupation in 1901? Kath. x

I'm looking for Francis John Dowling, born 1875 in Peckham (Surrey I believe at the time). I have him in 1881 with grandmother (Caroline Naylor) and with his wife in 1901 (in Walthamstow). I have parents and rest of family in 1891 (in Camberwell). Please can anyone find him?! Thank you! Maz. XX