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Oh yes !! Have now found them all together on 1891 census under WRONG name !! Name: Mary J Edwards !!!!!!!!! Age: 38 Estimated birth year: abt 1853 Relation: Wife Gender: Female Where Born: Salcombe, Devon, England Civil parish: St Andrew Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch Town: Plymouth County/Island: Devon Country: England Source information: RG12/1733 Registration district: Plymouth Sub registration district: St Andrew ED, institution, or vessel: 9a Folio: 65 Page: 40 (click to see others on page) GSU Number: 6096843 If you look at the image, she is actually down as Whitburn !! Mary J Whitburn 38 Married, no occ. William 14 Minnie 9 Mary 7 Mable 3 Caroline 1 Now I'm happy that this is YOUR family Alison !! The family immediately before this one is an Edwards family - If you want any further help with the other side of the family, just say. Elaine ;-)

1861: Could this be Your Samuel as a visitor in 1861 ? Thomas Baskerville abt 1821 Bratton Clovelly, Devon, England Head Bridestowe Devon Ann Baskerville abt 1825 Cornwall, England Wife Bridestowe Devon Samuel Whitburn abt 1854 Tavistock, Devon, England Visitor Bridestowe Devon You would need to research deeper to see where (if at all) the Baskerville name fits in. Could be Mum's sister or something similar ! May NOT be your Sam at all. There is this family also on the 1861: Surname COULD be Witburn (mistranscribed & misspelt) could be MiT or WiT - definately a T b4 the b anyway NOT an L ! This Elizabeth is the wife of a Copper Miner - who's abroad for the census !) Elizabeth H Milburn abt 1826 Tavistocl, Devon, England Head Tavistock Devon Jesse Milburn abt 1850 Tavistock, Devon, England Daughter Tavistock Devon John H Milburn abt 1852 Tavistock, Devon, England Son Tavistock Devon Samuel Milburn abt 1855 Tavistock, Devon, England Son Tavistock Devon William Milburn abt 1847 Tavistock, Devon, England Son Tavistock Devon You would need to have the details from Samuel's birth cert ... to know who Mum is.

Have checked the Birth indexes. There are only 2 Samuel Whitburn born between March 1853 to and including Dec 1855. Samuel Whitburn b Tavistock March 1854 Samuel James Whitburn b Tavistock Dec 1854 I'm guessing that the Dec one is yours. Bearing this in mind, ONE of the two Samuel's listed on the 1871 has GOT to be yours ..... but which one ? You will need either his Marriage cert ... which will give his Fathers name and occupation, or his Birth cert, which will give BOTH parents names. If you opt for the birth cert: Samuel James Whitburn Dec 1854 Tavistock 5b, 309 The marriage details are listed above somewhere ! Elaine ;-)

This looks as if it MIGHT be Mary J Edwards (Samuel's wife) on the 1861: Ann Edwards abt 1831 Portlemouth, Devon, Wife Malborough Devon (Mariners Wife) HEAD Mary J Edwards abt 1851 Salcombe, Devon, Daughter Malborough Devon <<<<<<<< Elizabeth Edwards abt 1855 Salcombe, Devon, Daughter Malborough Devon Charles H Edwards abt 1858 Salcombe, Devon, Son Malborough Devon Thomas F Edwards abt 1860 Salcombe, Devon, Son Malborough Devon This is that same family 10yrs earlier in 1851: Charles Edward abt 1821 Dittisham, Devon, Head Malborough Devon (MARINER) Ann Edward abt 1831 Portlemouth, Devon, Wife Malborough Devon Mary J Edward abt 1851 Salcombe, Devon, Daughter Malborough Devon

Still searching for Samuel J Whitburn b c1854 on both the 1861 & 1871 census's. 1871 has two Samuel's b 1854 & 1855 both born in Tavistock .... one's a Carpenter the other is a Copper Miner. See further info below ! I am running with the idea that Samuel MIGHT already be in the Navy 3 years prior to marrying. MAYBE NOT -see below This doesn't account for why I can't trace him on 1861 .!! I'll look for a possible BIRTH for him .... that shouldn't be too hard !

NOT sure if all these are yours: Births Mar 1878 WHITBURN William James Plymouth 5b 286 (William on the 1881 census) Births Dec 1880 WHITBURN Mary Elizabeth A Plymouth 5b 266 (Mary aged 6mths on the 1881) Births Sep 1875 Whitburn Edith Alexandra Kingsbridge 5b 199 (possible for Edith on 1881) (Kingsbridge covers Salcombe) Births Dec 1887 Whitburn Mabel Plymouth 5b 275 (This could be the Mabel on the 1901) Births Sep 1888 WHITBURN Edith Elizabeth Plymouth 5b 284 Births Dec 1889 Whitburn Caroline Edwards Plymouth 5b 255 (This could be the Carny on the 1901) I think this definately IS yours !! Marriages Sep 1874 Plymouth 5b 476 Whitburn Samuel James Edwards Mary Jane which means that Caroline Edwards Whitburn birth above is 99% surely yours !

1901 census for Samuel J Whitburn !! Samuel J Whitburn abt 1854 Tavistock, Devon, England Head Bristol Gloucestershire <<<pensioner Mary J Whitburn abt 1853 Salcombe, Devon, England Wife Bristol Gloucestershire Mabel Whitburn abt 1888 Plymouth, Devon, England Daughter Bristol Gloucestershire Carny Whitburn abt 1889 Plymouth, Devon, England Daughter Bristol Gloucestershire -------- Richard Coke abt 1849 Devonport, Devon, England Boarder Bristol Gloucestershire Can't find any of them on 1891, so maybe they were all aboard ship travelling with Samuel.

1881 Since you mention that William's father is Samuel - a Naval pentioner ..... then this MAY be William at home with mum living near the Naval Base !! Mary J. WHITBURN Wife (Head) M Female 20 Salcombe, Devon, England Petty Officer Wife R N Edith WHITBURN Daur Female 5 Salcombe, Devon, England William WHITBURN Son Male 3 Plymouth, Devon, England Mary WHITBURN Daur Female 6 m Plymouth, Devon, England Source Information: Dwelling Cambridge Lane E 20 Census Place Plymouth St Andrew, Devon, England Family History Library Film 1341529 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 2197 / 102 Page Number 64

I did not know that you didn't pay the full price if they could not find the certificate. Maybe I will try that option. Thanks for your help, it's great to 'chat' with people who are interested in the same things. Got to go now as little one has just woken up. Thanks for all your help. Alison

The only other 'cheaper' option, is to send for the certs for the births you found ...using both the Mothers and the Fathers names as a checking reference. If any of the children have the correct parents, you will pay £7 for the cert .... if not, you only pay £4 for them to have 'searched' for you. So out of the 4 possible's you have found, you would end up paying £16 plus an extra £3 for each child that belongs to this couple ... hopefully 2 maybe 3 ... so £25 at most, and you would get definate answers and siblings. the least you would pay is £16 - but again, at least you would know. Elaine ;-)

I have his marriage certificate. He was 26 when he married in Withycombe Raleigh in December 1902. He was living in Barnstaple and his father was Samuel James Whitburn a Naval Pensioner.

Yes, the first place name is where they were born (supposedly) ! William's dad will be noted on the Marriage cert and his occupation ... so have you got that ? If your stuck with William and his parents then maybe we can all try and help. Elaine ;-) nb. I have just checked births after Sept 1911 - none under Whitburn with MMN Rose .... :-(

I thought I would have problems with my Grandfather's family as I knew nothing about him but I quite easily traced his parents, William James Whitburn born 1876 and Minnie Louisa Rose born 1883. I have also traced Minnie Louisa's parents John Rose born 1826 and Charlotte Carder born 1843. But I have hit a bit of a wall on William's parents and do not know how to trace any brothers or sisters. From what you have said it would appear that it is almost impossible to trace siblings. Thank you for the census information. They are the correct family. Is the first place name where they were born? The Grandson must be from a child other than Minnie Louisa. Both John and Charlotte had been married before but both their partners had died.

So it's doubtful they had children after 1911 then ? if they divorced when he was young. The only thing you haven't mentioned - have you traced all the family all the way back ? or do you want help with that ? I would also check out the entire Birth indexes that are currently available on Ancestry. FreeBMD is very good, but NOT complete, so it may be missing some more 'obvious' births (hopefully) Elaine ;-) So, Minnie was living in Devon just before her marriage then ? 1901: John Rose abt 1824 Ilminster, Somerset, England Head Withycombe Raleigh Devon Charlotte Rose abt 1844 Exmouth, Devon, England Wife Withycombe Raleigh Devon Minnie L Rose abt 1884 Exmouth, Devon, England Daughter Withycombe Raleigh Devon John W Rose abt 1894 Exmouth, Devon, England Grandson Withycombe Raleigh Devon

Minnie and William married in Exmouth in 1902 and my Grandfather was born in Newport in 1903. My grandparents divorced when my father was very young so I have no one who remembers him. There was another Whitburn family in the Newport area at the same time and most of the people you have found are from the other family. i know this as I have been in touch via genereunited with a gentleman who is tracing that family. Thanks anyway for your help. This is the first time I have posted a message as I am quite new to trying to trace my family and I am having some success in some areas and hitting brick walls in others.

You can't - is the simple answer I'm afraid. Unless your parents / aunts and uncle's can remember their Aunts and Uncle's names and confirm your findings ? Sept 1911 onwards, the Mothers maiden name is included in the indexes. When did Minnie & William marry ? before or after 1901 ? Are they on 1901 census together ?? Elaine ;-) Is this William on 1901 ? George Whitburn abt 1889 Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales Son Newport Monmouthshire Henry Whitburn abt 1841 Burham, Somerset, England Head Newport Monmouthshire Lucy Whitburn abt 1899 Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales Daughter Newport Monmouthshire Martha Whitburn abt 1856 Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales Wife Newport Monmouthshire Samuel Whitburn abt 1879 Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales Son Newport Monmouthshire Tryphena Whitburn abt 1895 Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales Daughter Newport Monmouthshire William Whitburn abt 1884 Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales Son Newport Monmouthshire <<<<<< QUOTE Just for ref: Free BMD has come up with the following Winifred Constance Mar 1905 11a 249 Lionel Herbert Sep 1906 11a 214 Phyllis May Jun 1908 11a 272 Muriel Dorothy Dec 1908 11a 251 UNQUOTE Phyllis & Muriel CAN NOT be sisters ........ registered 6 mths apart.

My Grandfather Cecil Victor Whitburn was born in Newport, Wales in 1903 to Minnie Louisa Rose and William James Whitburn. Does anyone know how I can find out if he had any brothers or sisters. Free BMD has come up with the following Winifred Constance Mar 1905 11a249 Lionel Herbert Sep 1906 11a214 Phyllis May Jun 1908 11a272 Muriel Dorothy Dec 1908 11a251 But how can I find out if they were his relatives without sending off for the birth certificates?