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Please can anyone find Elizabeth Sampson born 1830 Manchester her father was Thomas ..occ Porter [i have this info from her marriage at Manchester Cathederal 1862 ]..thanks Lynn

How do you know she was born in Manchester?

In 1861 there is a Elizabeth Sampson Unmarried aged 29 as a House Servant to Alfred Cotton living at Nob Row, Little Lever, Bolton. RG09/2835, Folio 85, pg 38. She was also listed as Sister in Law. Regards Jenny

Hi Nell i have found her married to William Cotton of Banbury on the 1881 ...Elizabeth Manchester !! also someone looked up the marriage for me at the Cathederal and that also said Manchester ...

For reference 1871 Alfred Cotton abt 1856 Salford, Lancashire, England Son Salford Elizabeth Cotton abt 1829 Manchester, Lancashire, England Wife Salford William Cotton abt 1823 Bamburgh, Northumberland, England Head Salford William Cotton abt 1854 Salford, Lancashire, England Son Salford Elizabeth A Daley abt 1870 Salford, Lancashire, England Relative Salford The dates of the children's birth are before the marriage you've got in 1862 so maybe not the same family, or children he had with his first wife??

this is the only Thomas Sampson I can find in Manchester in 1851 Thomas sampson 42 Overlooker Card Room Jane 37 wife Mary Ann 17 dau Powerloom Weaver Mary Jane 11 dau servant James Hewitt 14 stepson Glass Grinder William Sampson brother 35 Labourer ? All born Manchester and living at Great Ancoats Street, Manchester

I can't find any Elizabeths of the right age born Manchester in 1851. nell

1881 for reference Address: 18 West Craven St, Salford, Lancashire, England Elizabeth Cotton abt 1830 Mchester, Lancashire, England Wife William Cotton abt 1818 Banbury, Oxfordshire, England Head

Thanks Jenny i have followed that line before as the surname Cotton came up but that Elizabeth went on to marry Alfred Cottonshe was his first wife's sister .....Lynn

1861 William married to first wife Sarah Elizabeth Cotton abt 1846 Gateshead, Durham, England Daughter Gateshead Sarah Cotton abt 1825 Newcastle, Northumberland, England Wife Gateshead William Cotton abt 1821 Newcastle, Northumberland, England Head Gateshead Frances Lamb abt 1838 Newcastle, Northumberland, England Boarder Gateshead William Lamb abt 1860 Gateshead, Durham, England Boarder Gateshead

is this your Elizabeth in 1861?? Dates slightly out. Alfred Cotton abt 1829 Manchester, Lancashire, England Head Little Lever Martha Cotton abt 1830 Manchester, Lancashire, England Wife Little Lever Robert Cotton abt 1844 Manchester, Lancashire, England Nephew Little Lever Elizabeth Sampson abt 1832 Manchester, Lancashire, England Sister-in-law Little Lever It would seem very likely as her sister has married Alfred Cotton?

Sarah's death which fits in with the marriage to Elizabeth later in the year. Name: Cotton, Sarah Ann Record Type: Deaths Quarter: June Year: 1862 District: Salford County: Greater Manchester Lancashire Volume: 8d Page: 24 There is also a marriage listed for William, but no other person listed with him this is probably the right one: Cotton, William 1862 September Marriages Manchester (1837-1924)

Lynn, do you have the names of any witnesses. Jenny

the wittness's were Cornilious Cotton and Harriette Cotton ..this was Williams second marriage ...to confuse things his first wife was Eliza Sarah Ann Sampson born Runcorne Cheshire [my 3x gt grandmother ] she died in 1861 ...William then went on to marry Elizabeth Sampson in 1862 ...Lynn

In the 1861 census Eliza is only listed as Sarah, as is her death. I've been trying to find the Martha I mentioned earlier who Elizabeth was living with in 1861, but I can't find her as yet either in 1851. I don't know if someone else with fresh eyes could look? I guess we might find both Martha & Sarah together? I can't find Alfred Cotton who Martha married in 1851 either? Maybe just me, but alternatively maybe they are all together, out of the country? Would that be plausible in the early 1850s? Not sure .... Anway, hope you have some luck! I'm going to have to go and do some chores for a while now I've got the baby asleep (should do something useful!!). Good luck.

thanks all for trying ..

There are large parts of manchester missing from the 1851 census, so you might never know if they were there.