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I have James Bradshaw aged 45 b Newington in the 1901 census (RG13/389/4/18) with wife Elizabeth 44 and children Jane 19, James 18 and Ada 15 (my grandmother). In 1891 they are in St Mary Walworth with mother-in-law Elizabeth Kalthoeber aged 54. In 1881 James is a boarder with Elizabeth Rabthoeber (mistranscription of Kalthoeber) head and Elizabeth Rabthoeber daughter (later to marry James). I would be very grateful if anyone could find James in the 1871 and 1861 census records. His father was Benjamin Bradshaw and mother, I believe Emma nee Hawkins (I have no age for either parent). Any help very much appreciated. Regards Ron

This looks like Benjamin and Emma in 1861............the son whose age would fit is called Richard! Benjamin Bradshaw abt 1828 St Marylebone, Middlesex, England Head Newington St Mary Surrey View Record Benjamin Bradshaw abt 1853 Newington, Surrey, England Son Newington St Mary Surrey View Record Emma Bradshaw abt 1830 Newington, Surrey, England Wife Newington St Mary Surrey View Record George Bradshaw abt 1861 Newington, Surrey, England Son Newington St Mary Surrey View Record Richard Bradshaw abt 1855 Newington, Surrey, England Son Newington St Mary Surrey View Record Abert Reading abt 1834 Newington, Surrey, England Boarder Newington St Mary Surrey Reg

1871 James Bradshaw abt 1856 Newington, St Mary Son St Mary Newington London View Record Charles Partridge abt 1842 Lambeth Head St Mary Newington London View Record Elizabeth Partridge abt 1838 Islington Wife St Mary Newington London Checking the image..it's actually 'A Son'...presumably meaning 'adopted'. Reg

If you look at census image for 1871 I think it could have a G in front of son maybe granson.(with Partridges)

The 'A' is the same as the capital 'A' on a name a few lines up. Reg

The partridges are too young to be Grandparents maybe they are his Godparents? had a look, no its def says 'a son', maybe he was their godson and he stayed with them a lot, so called him adopted, it happens?

Thanks to you all May I ask what occupation Benjamin has in the 1861 census. There is a printing them running through the Bradshaws in later census records. Could I please also have the addresses for both Thanks Ron

1861.............11 Camden Street. Benjamin is a Shoemaker . 1871.17 (perhaps) Henshaw St. If you'd like images, send e-mail details via PM. Reg

Sorry to be greedy but I have just looked at the marriage of Benjamin Bradshaw and Emma Hawkins on 11 March 1852. He is living in Friendly Place Newington, a shoemaker and she in Charles Street Newington. His father is Richard also a shoemaker and hers is James, deceased. Could you please check the 1851 census for either or both. Thanks Ron

Reggie, that's brilliant. I think that probably confirms they are both correct as Benjamin was a shoemaker (I know it's a common occupation, but....) and Henshaw Street features on a later census, albeit number 68. Thank you so much for the info. I will send you a PM for images and am very grateful for your help. Ron

Hello Would anyone be able to respond to the penultimate query on this thread re: 1851 census for Benjamin Bradshaw and/or Emma Hawkins. Reg and others have helped me a great deal with later censuses but I think they thought the thread was finished. Would be most grateful Ron

Possibly?? 1851 Benjn Hawkins abt 1833 Lambeth, Surrey, England Son Lambeth Surrey Emma Hawkins abt 1829 Lambeth, Surrey, England Daughter Lambeth Surrey William Hawkins abt 1803 Hunton bridge ?? Head Lambeth Surrey Res: 27 william street father Occ:Labourer or Mary Baring abt 1831 Walworth, Surrey, England Servant St Marylebone Middlesex Ebenezer Hawkins abt 1841 St Pancras, Middlesex, England Son St Marylebone Middlesex Emma Hawkins abt 1830 St Pancras, Middlesex, England Daughter St Marylebone Middlesex Mary Hawkins abt 1803 St Martins, Middlesex, England Wife St Marylebone Middlesex Thomas Hawkins abt 1803 Woothampton, Berkshire, England Head St Marylebone Middlesex Thomas Hawkins abt 1832 St Mary's Paddington Son St Marylebone Middlesex Lewis Turberd abt 1828 Steeple Bumpstead, Essex, England Servant St Marylebone Middlesex res: 17 Douro cottages fathers Occ: Egg Merchant or Susan abt 1835 Servant St Marylebone Middlesex R Brison abt 1832 Middlesex, England Servant St Marylebone Middlesex ................ Emma Hawkins abt 1830 Servant St Marylebone Middlesex Amelia Ryan abt 1821 Surrey, England Wife St Marylebone Middlesex Margt Ryan abt 1850 Daughter St Marylebone Middlesex Thomas Ryan abt 1803 Head St Marylebone Middlesex Thomas Ryan abt 1848 Son St Marylebone Middlesex Miss Walker abt 1793 Visitor St Marylebone Middlesex resi: 11 new cavendish square

1851 sorry he is alone:( Benjiman Bradshaw abt 1828 Middlesex, England Lodger Bermondsey Surrey 2 smiths buildings EMMA IS WITH HIM IN SAME HOUSE:)) OR ITS A COINSCIDENCE? Alfred Boort abt 1816 Boston, Leicestershire, England Lodger Bermondsey Surrey John Robertson abt 1811 Bermondsey, Surrey, England Lodger Bermondsey Surrey Mary Wayte abt 1791 Bartwood, Hampshire, England Head Bermondsey Surrey Emma Hawkins abt 1823 Kensington, Barbados Adopted Bermondsey Surrey Benjiman Bradshaw abt 1828 Middlesex, England Lodger Bermondsey Surrey its doesn't say BARDADOS it says Kensington barracks on image

Thanks Carrie May I have the addresses for these 3 please Ron

pm sent for your email addy, found them together:)) Carrie

Thanks Carrie but I don't think the first 2 Hawkins records are my Emma (her father's name was James) but the 3rd may be. Sorry to be a real pain but do you have the address where Benjiman is boarding please. SORRY. I SEE YOU HAVE ADDED ADDRESS. THANKS SO MUCH Best regards Ron

Ron have updated my address message for benjamin