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1891 and 1901 census help please!
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McDitzy | Report | 12 Mar 2006 10:59 |
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I have recently managed to find my German ancestors (one surname back to 1519!!!). My great grandmother was Catharina Christine Hexamer, botn 1869 Weiler bei Monzingen. She married Jakob Spengler in 1892 and they emigrated to London in 1899. My nana (their daughter) always mentioned her 'cousins', but never which side of the family there were on or their names! How helpful! LOL please see below to make some sense of it! |
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McDitzy | Report | 12 Mar 2006 11:05 |
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Catharina's parents were Philipp Hexamer, born 1841, and Catharina KUNZ, born 1843. Philipp had an uncle Johann born 1855 (I believe that this is John Hexamer, born 1855 on the 1901). I would love the 1891 and 1901 image of him and his family. In 1901 he's living in Christ Church, London, all of his children are born in Lambeth. In 1891, I do not know. Philipp had a brother, Jakob, born 1843. Jakob married Maria Sophia Becker in 1869. They had two children at least, Sophia Christina HEXAMER (born 17 July 1869) and Jakob Hexamer, born 1870. I believe that Sophia Christina is this Sophia Christine Hexamer marrying .... Surname First name(s) District Vol Page ----------------------------------------- Marriages Dec 1890 ------------------------------------------------------ Hexamer Sophia Christine Pancras 1b 269 Hexamer Sophie Christine Pancras 1b 269 Keppeler Philipp Gottfried Pancras 1b 269 Keppeleu Philipp Gottfried Pancras 1b 269 Quinlan Michael Pancras 1b 269 Wright Annie Elizabeth Pancras 1b 269 But who did she marry? I know this is a tall order, but I'd be so appreciative if someone could find her on the censuses for me, to see if I can confirm if she was my great grandmother's cousin and therefore putting truth to one of my nana's stories. It looks like she married Philipp Gottfried Keppeler (there's a birth and death aged 1 for a Sophie Christine Keppeler in Holborn 1892 and 1893) Please help! |
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KathleenBell | Report | 12 Mar 2006 11:12 |
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I've saved the 1901 image for John Hexamer, but can't find him in 1891. I'll keep looking. Kath. x |
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McDitzy | Report | 12 Mar 2006 11:14 |
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Thanks KAthleen. Will message you my email. I think he must have been in London c1891 as one of his sons was 15, and I think I have found his first marriage on FreeBMD (in 1882) PS - Philipp Gottfried Keppeler, might well have been born in England. There's a baptism on the IGi in 1862 for him in Bedfordshire. |
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KathleenBell | Report | 12 Mar 2006 11:24 |
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Think I have found Sophia on the 1891 census, although the image is poor. They both appear to be using their second names (Christine and Gottfried). Will send you the image. Kath. x |
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McDitzy | Report | 12 Mar 2006 11:25 |
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Thanks again, Kathleen!! |
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KathleenBell | Report | 12 Mar 2006 11:29 |
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The Gottfried on the 1891 image says birthplace Germany (K.N.) Maybe he was born Germany and christened over here. Kath. x |
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McDitzy | Report | 12 Mar 2006 11:33 |
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The IGI record- I don't think it's from parish records or anything, so it might not be trusted. The age of Christine is right (21, would be going on 22). I think you have the right person, besides how many Gottfried Keppelers are there?? lol |
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Christine | Report | 12 Mar 2006 11:39 |
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Chloe The IGI record you have found says 'Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.' Phillipp had a sister: Rosine Margaretha Keppeler - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 25 JUL 1859 Biddenham, Bedford, England 2. Philipp Gottfried Keppeler - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 01 JUN 1862 Biddenham, Bedford, England Father: Michael Keppeler, Mother: Maria Elisabetha Rapp Batch Number: C003765 |
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KathleenBell | Report | 12 Mar 2006 11:40 |
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Sorry, still can't find John in 1891 census. Have to go now as we're going out for lunch. Hope someone can find him for you. Kath. x |
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Christine | Report | 12 Mar 2006 11:48 |
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1891 - mistranscribed? Anna Louisa Hessenauer abt 1846 Brighton, Sussex, England Wife Lambeth London Gustav John Hessenauer abt 1849 Germany Head Lambeth London Gustav John Hessenauer abt 1882 Lambeth, London, England Son Lambeth London Helena Maud Hessenauer abt 1878 Lambeth, London, England Daughter Lambeth London Mabel Louisa Hessenauer abt 1879 Carshalton, Surrey, England Daughter Lambeth London William Ewart Hessenauer abt 1890 Lambeth, London, England Son Lambeth Going back to image - do any of the children's names fit with 1901? Update: Image does look like Hexenamer - mistranscription by enumerator not being able to decipher German script? (I know I had trouble trying to read my mother's handwriting, which is why she preferred to use capitals!) |
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McDitzy | Report | 12 Mar 2006 11:51 |
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Thanks Christine None of the children's names seem to fit though :-( Those that should be alive in 1891 are: John Hexamer, aged about 5 Kate Hexamer, aged about 3 |
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Christine | Report | 12 Mar 2006 11:55 |
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OK, putting 1901 family on (minus those born between 1891-1901) for reference. Jane Hexamer abt 1871 Runcton Holme, Norfolk, England Wife Christchurch London >> John Hexamer abt 1855 German Subject, Germany Head John Hexamer abt 1886 Lambeth, London, England Son Kate Hexamer abt 1888 Lambeth, London, England I would think that Jane is 2nd wife - otherwise she gave birth to John jnr when she was 15. |
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McDitzy | Report | 12 Mar 2006 11:57 |
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Christine Jane was his second wife (they appear to have married in 1899). Think his first wife was KAtherine. |
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Christine | Report | 12 Mar 2006 12:23 |
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Sorry, Chloe, I've tried various combinations, but no sign of John or his family. Hopefully someone will else will have more luck. Perhaps if someone is going to FRC in Islington, they could have a look? |
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McDitzy | Report | 12 Mar 2006 12:24 |
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Thanks very much for looking, Christine (and Kath) |
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