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idin't realise the time... I've got to go out now. Thanks for your help. I really appreciate it. I'll check back tonight. Thanks you've been a great help. claire x

Claire, The Parish registers were transcribed by volunteers - members of the LDS. Errors were made during this process - but you must consider that many names have changed the way of spelling over hundreds of years. Folks were very illiterate back in them days as well. All you can do is carry on researching the 'facts' that you have. For now, accept the age on Ellen's marriage cert. Find a birth of approx year with Father's name Thomas. We need to find the family on the 1841, in the hope that we can find the family as a 'whole' ! ....... the cheapest way of doing this for you, is to buy a subscription to TheGenealogist website and look for Ellen Kennedy b c1837 .... hopefully she is with father Thomas.. No one else should be looking this up for you on the Name Index - it is against the rules and conditions of TheGenealogist and will get folks into trouble. :-((( Elaine ;-) http://www.thegenealogist(.)co.uk/ ... remove () from addy.

Sarah H Kennedy born about 1833. I think it's got to be the one because on the 1871 census Sarah was living with a woman named Elizabeth Singleton or Lingleton Sarah is the daughter & Elizabeth is head born abt 1813. There is also a Cavannah S Kennedy abt 1851 Granddaughter!

I think the Sarah Hadfield must be Ellens sister. I'm not sure about the other one with the single N in kennedy, or do you think it's a possibility?

Claire, NEVER take anything written on a census as 100% accurate. names, dates etc have been prooved wrong many times before !! Use information from a census as a guideline. She may have THOUGHT that's were she was born - and she may have lived there when she was very young - but doesn't mean she was actually born there.

What year does the census say this Sarah Kennedy was born please ?

I don't think thats them, I could be wrong but the place of birth I have for Ellen is Irlam O'th Height & Pendleton. Don't know if they are the same place.

This is Ellen's sister but whether they are the correct family ....... Mary Kenedy Female Event(s): Birth: Pendleton Christening: 26 APR 1834 Eccles, Lancashire, England Parents: Father: Thomas Kenedy Family Mother: Betsey Kenedy Messages: Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. SARAH HADFIELD KENNEDY Female Event(s): Birth: Christening: 24 MAR 1833 Cathedral, Manchester, Lancashire, England Parents: Father: THOMAS KENNEDY Family Mother: ELIZABETH Messages: Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed

Yes you're right she must be Ellens sister. Think I'm going mad. It's mind boggling!

There are some Kennedy's LODGING on the 1851 census: James Brich abt 1812 Birmingham Head Manchester Lancashire Mary Brich abt 1809 Woldingham Wife Manchester Lancashire Isaac Jones abt 1806 Eccles Lodger Manchester Lancashire Eliza Kennedy abt 1844 Manchester Lodger Manchester Lancashire Ellen Kennedy abt 1837 Manchester Lodger Manchester Lancashire <<<<< POSSIBLE ?? Wm Kennedy abt 1831 Liverpool Lodger Manchester Lancashire IGI: Maybe this is something to consider: Ellen Kenedy Female Event(s): Birth: Pendlebury Christening: 19 JUL 1835 Eccles, Lancashire, England Parents: Father: Thomas Kenedy Family Mother: Elizabeth Kenedy Messages: Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

I don't know Sarahs fathers name. Ellen Kennedy married Arthur Fitzroy Thompson in September 1865. Ellens fathers name was Thomas Kennedy. I'm guessing Sarah is Thomas' sister.

Claire, You would be better off buying a subscription to TheGenealogist website and getting access to the 1841 Lancashire Name Index. This will give you the names of everyone in the household - and by giving us the reference numbers against the names - then those of us with the 1841 Lancashire on disc can do a lookup and give you the extra details that the Name Index doesn't give you. Elaine ;-) Have just seen the info above ..... Sarah is Ellen's sister surely ...... Thomas's DAUGHTER same as Ellen ....

Yes, I found Sarah Kennedy next door too. I've yet to discover who she is. I'm guessing maybe Thomas Kennedy's sister because on the 1901 census she was living with Frederick Fitzroy Thompson the eldest son of Ellen & Arthur & was stated as their Aunt.

I'm sorry, I cannot see her in 1851 or 1861 :-( Liz

Yes, they are!

Is this her in 1871? Arthur F Thompson abt 1845 Eccles, London, England Head Pendleton Lancashire Ellen Thompson abt 1837 Pendleton, London, England Wife Pendleton Lancashire Frederick F Thompson abt 1867 Pendleton, London, England Son Pendleton Lancashire Thomas S Thompson abt 1870 Pendleton, London, England Son Pendleton Lancashire There are a couple of Kennedys next door.

You heard correctly. 1851 Salford is very badly damaged and a lot of it is unreadable.... but NOT all.! 1841 is worse. Mostly unreadable UNLESS you have the S & N Disc's - they are so much clearer - don't know why or how ! Elaine ;-)

She married Arthur Fitzroy Thompson September 1865

What was her married surname please? Liz

Here's the tricky bit I have different information! On her marriage certificate 1865 it says she was 26 so born abt 1839. However, on the 1891 census it says she was born abt 1835. I'm not sure which is right.