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June You are an Angel............. I have sent you a pm. Gerry :-)))))))))))))

1851 England Census Record about Frederick Chabert Name: Frederick Chabert Age: 76 Estimated birth year: abt 1775 Relation: Lodger Household: View other family members Gender: Male Where born: Middlesex, England Civil parish: Poplar County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Disability: View image Source information: HO107/1556 Registration district: Poplar Sub-registration district: Poplar ED, institution, or vessel: 20 Folio: 417 Page: 30 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 79 GSU Number: 174788-174789 Looks like frederick image really bad to read June x ps glad to make a old man happy lol

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1983 Record about Thoedosia Shoberl Name: Thoedosia Shoberl Birth Date: abt 1839 Year of Registration: 1909 Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun Age at death: 70 District: Uxbridge County: Middlesex Volume: 3a Page: 30 (click to see others on page June x

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1983 Record about Caroline Shoberl Name: Caroline Shoberl Birth Date: abt 1807 Year of Registration: 1876 Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep Age at death: 69 District: Strand County: London, Middlesex Volume: 1b Page: 378 (click to see others on page) England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1983 Record about William Shoberl Name: William Shoberl Year of Registration: 1863 Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec District: Strand County: London, Middlesex Volume: 1b Page: 361 (click to see others on page) Pallot's Marriage Index for England: 1780 - 1837 Record about Wm Shoberl Name: Wm Shoberl Spouse: Caroline Hill Marriage Date: 1829 Parish: Stratford Le Bow St Mary Are these any good to you June x

Thank you, all of you. If only I had thought to put a cross on an 'l' and make it a 't'!!!! LOL The prize, by the way, is my huge gratitude. Not much you may think, but coming from the original grumpy old men, it is!! LOL The Shoberls have been bugging me for ages so I am now (temporarily) a HAPPY old man! Gerry :-))

Ranked Search Results - 1861 England Census View Record Blanch Shobert abt 1840 St Johns Wood, Middlesex, England Daughter Westminster St Clement Danes Middlesex View Record Caroline Shobert abt 1808 Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England Wife Westminster St Clement Danes Middlesex View Record Caroline Shobert abt 1843 St Johns Wood, Middlesex, England Daughter Westminster St Clement Danes Middlesex View Record Florence F Shobert abt 1851 St Johns Wood, Middlesex, England Daughter Westminster St Clement Danes Middlesex View Record William Shobert abt 1801 St James, Middlesex, England Head Westminster St Clement Danes Middlesex 1861 England Census Record about William Shobert Name: William Shobert Age: 60 Estimated birth year: abt 1801 Relation: Head Household: View other family members Gender: Male Where born: St James, Middlesex, England Civil parish: Westminster St Clement Danes County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Source information: RG9/181 Registration district: Strand Sub-registration district: St Clement Danes ED, institution, or vessel: 15 Folio: 21 Page: 4 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 21 GSU Number: 542587 same family as 1851 June x

June and Suzanne Great! Mary Hill mother is a clincher! We are getting there at last I knew you would all have better imagination than me! Gerry :-))

1851: Mary Hill abt 1766 Bethnal Green Mother St Marylebone Middlesex View Record Blanche Shobert abt 1839 St Johns Wood Daughter St Marylebone Middlesex View Record Caroline Shobert abt 1807 Bethnal Green Wife St Marylebone Middlesex View Record Caroline Shobert abt 1846 St Johns Wood Daughter St Marylebone Middlesex View Record Florance Shobert abt 1850 St Johns Wood Daughter St Marylebone Middlesex View Record Henry Shobert abt 1837 Paddington Son St Marylebone Middlesex View Record Mary Ann Shobert abt 1833 Chelsea Daughter St Marylebone Middlesex View Record Theodosia Shobert abt 1835 Paddington Daughter St Marylebone Middlesex View Record William Shobert abt 1832 Chelsea Son St Marylebone Middlesex View Record Wm Shobert abt 1801 London, England Head St Marylebone Middlesex 1861: Blanch Shobert abt 1840 St Johns Wood, Middlesex, England Daughter Westminster St Clement Danes Middlesex Caroline Shobert abt 1808 Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England Wife Westminster St Clement Danes Middlesex Caroline Shobert abt 1843 St Johns Wood, Middlesex, England Daughter Westminster St Clement Danes Middlesex Florence F Shobert abt 1851 St Johns Wood, Middlesex, England Daughter Westminster St Clement Danes Middlesex William Shobert abt 1801 St James, Middlesex, England Head Westminster St Clement Danes Middlesex Whats the rpize? lol

Ranked Search Results - 1851 England Census View Record Mary Hill abt 1766 Bethnal Green Mother St Marylebone Middlesex View Record Blanche Shobert abt 1839 St Johns Wood Daughter St Marylebone Middlesex View Record Caroline Shobert abt 1807 Bethnal Green Wife St Marylebone Middlesex View Record Caroline Shobert abt 1846 St Johns Wood Daughter St Marylebone Middlesex View Record Florance Shobert abt 1850 St Johns Wood Daughter St Marylebone Middlesex View Record Henry Shobert abt 1837 Paddington Son St Marylebone Middlesex View Record Mary Ann Shobert abt 1833 Chelsea Daughter St Marylebone Middlesex View Record Theodosia Shobert abt 1835 Paddington Daughter St Marylebone Middlesex View Record William Shobert abt 1832 Chelsea Son St Marylebone Middlesex View Record Wm Shobert abt 1801 London, England Head St Marylebone Middlesex ( Book seller ) These your family image reads Shorberl living 27, St Johns Wood June x 1851 England Census Record about William Shobert Name: William Shobert Age: 19 Estimated birth year: abt 1832 Relation: Son Household: View other family members Gender: Male Where born: Chelsea Civil parish: St Marylebone Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephen County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Source information: HO107/1491 Registration district: Marylebone Sub-registration district: St John ED, institution, or vessel: 17 Folio: 583 Page: 54 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 192 GSU Number: 87819-87820

Isobel Looks good for Frederick aged 66 in 1841 !! :-)))))))) Gerry :-))

Jennifer I so wish it was..... but as far as I have been able to find out..... no connection. Gerry :-))

The only Shoberl that I can find in any census is a Maria Shoberl in 1881, who is a governess in London. Kath. x

any of these any use? Record Alice M Shaberl abt 1879 Camberwell, London, England Daughter North Wimbledon Surrey View Record Annie B Shaberl abt 1880 Camberwell, London, England Daughter North Wimbledon Surrey View Record Dorothy W Shaberl abt 1883 Wimbledon, Surrey, England Daughter North Wimbledon Surrey View Record Frederick Shaberl abt 1887 Wimbledon, Surrey, England Son North Wimbledon Surrey View Record Henry Shaberl abt 1841 Westminster, London, England Head North Wimbledon Surrey View Record Maria Shaberl abt 1843 Westminster, London, England Sister North Wimbledon Violet Shaberl abt 1882 Wimbledon, Surrey, England Daughter North Wimbledon Surrey

What about any of these from 41 could have been mistranscribed Township City Parish County Image Details SHOBERT FREDERICK M 66 MIDDLESEX THISTLE GROVE BROMPTON KENSINGTON MIDDLESEX SHOBERT FREDERICK M 6 MIDDLESEX THISTLE GROVE BROMPTON KENSINGTON MIDDLESEX SHOBERT HENRY M 7 months MIDDLESEX THISTLE GROVE BROMPTON KENSINGTON MIDDLESEX SHOBERT JANE F 30 MIDDLESEX NEW GRAVEL LANE TOWER HAMLETS ST PAUL SHADWELL MIDDLESEX SHOBERT MARIA F 30 OUT OF COUNTY THISTLE GROVE BROMPTON KENSINGTON MIDDLESEX SHOBERT WM M 30 MIDDLESEX NEW GRAVEL LANE TOWER HAMLETS ST PAUL SHADWELL MIDDLESEX Frederick the elder is a Literary Labourer Maria,Fred and Henry are visitors.Jane Hawkes 64 and Elizabeth Batty 56 are female servants

is this one anything to do with yours? Caroline A. Schoberl abt 1847 London, Middlesex, England Daughter Camberwell London View Record Frederick Schoberl abt 1835 London, Middlesex, England Son Camberwell London View Record Maria Schoberl abt 1807 Hooley, Surrey, England Head Camberwell London

Hi I have the BMD Index for birth deaths and marriages for ALL of this lot (where post 1837) BUT (apart from Theadosia and Lucy E Shoberl in 1861) I CANNOT FIND ANY OF THEM IN ANY CENSUS and i have tried every thing I can think of. CAN YOU HELP FIND THESE MEMBERS OF THE SHOBERL FAMILY IN ANY CENSUS PLEASE? Lucy Emily (1859 b.Battersea) Lucy's Mum Theadorsia (1834 - 1901 b.Paddington) not married Lucy's Gdad William (1801-1863 b. St James Westminster) m. 1876 to Caroline (1807-1876 b Bow, London) Lucy's Great Gdad Frederick (1775-1853 b St Katherine, Coleman London. Wife Theodosia died in 1838. Gerry :-))

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