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Thanks to Julie (Darksecretz) i have been able to trace the Abel family back to 1861. Please could someone look up John and Eliza Abel on the 1841 census for Evesham Worcestershire and 1851 census for birmingham, Worwickshire. On the 1841 John would be abt 25yrs old and he was born in Evesham. His wife Eliza would be abt 24yrs old and she was born in either Evesham or Tipton, Staffordshire On the 1841 they may have had a daughter Jemima. Thanks for your help Jane

They are not that obvious !!

For reference only 1861 Eliza Abel abt 1817 Evesham, Worcestershire, England Wife Birmingham Warwickshire George Abel abt 1853 Birmm, Warwickshire, England Son Birmingham Warwickshire Henry Abel abt 1860 Birmm, Warwickshire, England Son Birmingham Warwickshire Jane Abel abt 1846 Birmm, Warwickshire, England Daughter Birmingham Warwickshire Jemima Abel abt 1841 Evesham, Worcestershire, England Daughter Birmingham Warwickshire John Abel abt 1816 Evesham, Worcestershire, England Head Birmingham Warwickshire John Abel abt 1849 Birmm, Warwickshire, England Son Birmingham Warwickshire Martha Abel abt 1843 Evesham, Worcestershire, England Daughter Birmingham Warwickshire Sarah Abel abt 1857 Birmm, Warwickshire, England Daughter Birmingham Warwickshire William Abel abt 1844 Evesham, Worcestershire, England Son Birmingham Warwickshire

Thanks Elaine It does seem that they are hiding. Yes that is my family thank you for helping me. All the best Jane

Jemima Abel Year of Registration: 1840 Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar District: Evesham County: Gloucestershire, Hereford And Worcester, Worcestershire Volume: 18 Page: 370 So she should have been around in 1841.

I know it's no help but this entry in 1841 made me laugh Lard Abel abt 1840 Worcestershire, England St Peter Worcestershire I think the orinigal says Lara!

Sorry Jane - can´t see them anywhere.

Thanks Helen and Elaine for looking. Perhaps they didnt fill the census forms in. According to the IGI the family has always lived around the Evesham area Either in South Littleton or North and Middle Littleton. Guess they didnt want to be found. Thanks for your help Jane

this might be Jemima in 1851 although place of birth is incorrect. It does like Able on the image **View Record Jemima Abele abt 1840 Birm, Warwickshire, England Servant Birmingham St Thomas Warwickshire View Record William Balby abt 1833 Birm, Warwickshire, England Nephew Birmingham St Thomas Warwickshire View Record Amelia Brookes abt 1850 Birm, Warwickshire, England Daughter Birmingham St Thomas Warwickshire View Record Sarah Brookes abt 1814 Birm, Warwickshire, England Wife Birmingham St Thomas Warwickshire View Record Sarahann Brookes abt 1848 Birm, Warwickshire, England Daughter Birmingham St Thomas Warwickshire View Record William Brookes abt 1814 Curdworth, Warwickshire, England Head Birmingham St Thomas Warwickshire

Helen or Elaine can i be cheeky and ask if you can find Thomas Sheppey and Lucy Sheppey on the 1841 for North and Middle Littleton Worcestershire. I think this is Evesham. I'f afraid i dont know how old they are but htey married in JUly 1790 so i guess they would be about 60. They were both born arround the South Littleton or North & Middle Littleton area. Thanks for your help Jane

Marilyn That could well be her as it is an unusual name. But she would only be abt 11yrs so would she have left home at this age? Thanks Jane

Jane does the name Fincher mean anything to you There is this family living in North Littleton in 1851 and all the names and dates almost match!! I am pretty sure that Merther is actually Martha. What do you think?? View Record Eliza Fincher abt 1816 North Littleton, Worcestershire, England Wife Birmingham Warwickshire View Record Jane A Fincher abt 1847 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Daughter Birmingham Warwickshire View Record John A Fincher abt 1817 North Littleton, Worcestershire, England Head Birmingham Warwickshire View Record John A Fincher abt 1849 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Son Birmingham Warwickshire View Record Merthew A Fincher abt 1842 North Littleton, Worcestershire, England Daughter Birmingham Warwickshire View Record William A Fincher abt 1844 North Littleton, Worcestershire, England Son Birmingham Warwickshire

jane 1841 there is this!! cant just be a coincidence can it?? View Record David Jones abt 1821 Worcestershire, England North Littleton Worcestershire View Record William Marshall abt 1816 Worcestershire, England North Littleton Worcestershire **View Record Eliza Sheppey abt 1821 Worcestershire, England North Littleton Worcestershire **View Record Jemima Sheppey abt 1840 Worcestershire, England North Littleton Worcestershire View Record Sarah Wartus abt 1771 Worcestershire, England North Littleton Worcestershire

I dont think thats my family Marilyn because it would mean John would have died and Eliza would have remarried. John was still alive in 1861. They had Sarah in 1857 Thanks for trying Jane

The Finchers that you have found in 1851 are living in Steward Street - which is the same as the Abels address from the 1861 census.

Marilyn Yes I think that you have found them on the 1841. Jemima was their only child in 1841. I wonder where John is? and who are the other people they are with? Thanks Jane

Thomas Sheppey abt 1766 Worcestershire, England Great Hampton Worcestershire Source information: HO107/1191/1 Registration district: Evesham Sub-registration district: Broadway ED, institution, or vessel: Eversham Union Workhouse Folio: 18 Page: 2

Jane, John IS still alive on the 1851, he is listed there. There is a Thomas Sheppey aged 75 in the Evesham Union workhouse on the 1841 census but no Lucy shown

Elizabeth Abel abt 1766 Worcestershire, England Great Hampton Worcestershire William Abel abt 1776 Worcestershire, England Great Hampton Worcestershire These Abels are also in the workhouse Source information: HO107/1191/1 Registration district: Evesham Sub-registration district: Broadway ED, institution, or vessel: Eversham Union Workhouse Folio: 18 Page: 2

Hi Elaine I did not have an address for the Abels on the 1861 But as you say it is the same address as the 1851 so it probably is them. But it doesnt explain where the name Fincher comes from. Thanks for your help. I will copy all this information you are giving me down. Thanks very much Jane