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Hi, Nell, our ancestors certainly have made life difficult for us, fancy changing their names ! I hope we are easier to trace in 200 years time ! Donna.

Hi, again, Christine, thank you for the 1841 census, the birth dates differ from 1861, but that often happens, it is definitely the same people, thank you again, donna.

Husband's lot weren't lodgers - they lived over their fishshop in Middlesex Street. nell

Hi, Brenda, yes, I have the death, although not sent for the cert yet, next on the list ! Many thanks, Donna.

Hi, Christine, it certainly looks like they could be brothers, the skin connection cannot be a coincidence, surely ? Thank you for your help. Donna.

1841has this Conrad Schimpf abt 1801 Foreign Parts St Mary Whitechapel Middlesex (skindresser) Margaret Schimpf abt 1806 Foreign Parts St Mary Whitechapel Middlesex Jacob Schimpf abt 1831 Foreign Parts St Mary Whitechapel Middlesex Susan Schimpf abt 1835 Foreign Parts St Mary Whitechapel Middlesex

Hi, Nell, I wonder if he lived in Conrad's lodging house !!!!! Donna.

Hi, Jess, thank you for your help, Henry did have a brother William. Later on they were both furriers, in what we presume was a family business. Many thanks once again, Donna.

Hi, Christine, thank you loads for the help, certainly looks like the right family, later on both Henry and William are Furriers in what we presume to be a family business. The birth certificate I have is the only one I have been able to locate in the GRO indexes, I will have to look again. Best regards, Donna.

This is Philip Schimpf in 1851 ( in Whitechapel) Caroline Schimpf abt 1850 Whitechapel, Middlesex, England Daughter St Mary Whitechapel Middlesex Elizabeth Schimpf abt 1825 Cassel, Germany Wife Julius Schimpf abt 1848 Whitechapel, Middlesex, England Son Mary Schimpf abt 1846 Whitechapel, Middlesex, England Daughter >> Philip Schimpf abt 1823 Darmstadt, Germany Head (journeyman skin dyer) I wonder if they're brothers?

They lived in Whitechapel too!!!

My husband has a great great great grandfather who is Solomon on his son's birth cert, Zalig on his son's marriage cert, and Solomon Zalig on his death cert. nell

Hi Donna, have the family on 1861 census Conrad. Have saved image, if you would like one, please pm me. Regards Vera,

1871 Henry isn't obvious, is this his brother? Sarah Hoyland abt 1850 Bath, Wiltshire, England Head Whitechapel London Sarah Hoyland abt 1860 Whitechapel, Middlesex, England Granddaughter Whitechapel London William Schimp abt 1850 Whitechapel, Middlesex, England Lodger Whitechapel

1861 Conrad Schimpf abt 1813 Germany Head Whitechapel Middlesex (skin dealer and German lodging house keeper) Dorothea Schimpf abt 1848 London, England Daughter George Schimpf abt 1845 London, England Son >>Henry Schimpf abt 1855 London, England Son Margaret Schimpf abt 1823 Germany Wife Willm Schimpf abt 1852 London, England Son

Hi, can anyone do census lookups prior to 1878 please ? The subject is Henry Schimp, born 1853 / 54 in Whitechapel, Middlesex. On his marraige certificate he gives his father as Conard / Conrad. I have obtained a birth certificate for Henry, and the father on that is Philip ! So just who is his Dad ? Many thanks, Donna.