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I've PM'd you too Shirley! Thankyou for your help. Suzanne, were there many Thomas's born in Poplar? And could you check for an Amelia MYERS c1823 thanks again for your help

Have sent lisa a pm with poss marriage ref in 1845 Thomas Cavell to Amelia Myers

Hi Lisa, Ive had a quick look at 1841 but theres just too many Thomas Cav(i)(e)(a)ll's to check. With regard to the roman numerals if you do order the cert just give them the roman numerals anyway, you dont have to translate it. Suzanne

Lisa on Ancestry BMD s I looked thro 1851 & 1852 nothing ,so backtracked to 1850 & there it was . I,ve checked out the roman numerals & it is 2

Thanks Shirley can I ask where you found it?

heres George Atherton's birth reg Dec 1850 Poplar 11 289 THe 11 are roman numerals so could mean 2 .I,m not too up on Roman numerals!! Shirley

Thanks Suzanne & Kate. His wife Amelia was born c1823 so probably around that time if that helps.

Ill have alook but not knowing how old he was or where he was born t might be impossible? Suzanne

Well, he could have been transporting goods or passengers, or he could even be a sea fisherman, mariner is quite a loose term really. I would go with getting the birth certificate of one of the children if I were you. Kate.

1871: George Cavill abt 1850 Poplar, Surrey, England Servant Paddington London

Thank you Suzanne can you find Thomas CAVELL snr in 1841 & George in 1871?

1871: View Record Ellen Bushell abt 1851 Thanet Monteton, Kent, England Daughter St Peter the Apostle Kent View Record Jane Bushell abt 1808 Thanet Monteton, Kent, England Wife St Peter the Apostle Kent View Record John Bushell abt 1807 Thanet Monteton, Kent, England Head St Peter the Apostle Kent >>>>View Record Thomas James Cavall abt 1849 London, Middlesex, England Lodger St Peter the Apostle Kent View Record William H Cliff abt 1850 Essex, England Lodger St Peter the Apostle Kent View Record Herbert E H Setterfield abt 1865 Margate, Kent, England Grandson St Peter the Apostle Kent View Record Lillian M M Setterfield abt 1867 Margate, Kent, England Granddaughter St Peter the Apostle Kent

What does a sailor do? Is that transporting goods by ship?

As for the mariner business, yes, a mariner was a sailor, he would not be in the Royal Navy though. I don't think that ships at sea are included in the 1851 census but I'm not certain. Can't see a section for them on ancestry, anyway. Kate.

I would say that to be sure that the marriage above is the right one, you would be best to get George's birth certificate. I don't think there will be too many George Atherton Cavells around! But I can't see his birth on FreeBMD so you may have to look through the GRO indexes quarter-by-quarter to find the index entry. Kate.

Hi Suzanne I'm betting that that's them as well, but I have other relatives where the marriage is not recorded. Can anyone find Thomas CAVELL in the 1841 census for me please.

Makes sense to name your first by after the father: Possible marriage: Marriages Mar 1845 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- BENTINCK Sophia Poplar 2 263 BERRY John Thomas Poplar 2 263 Boothroyd Jane Poplar 2 263 >>>>Cavell Thomas Poplar 2 263 Cutler Timothy Tyrell Poplar 2 263 Mc Millan Eliza Poplar 2 263 >>>>Myers Amelia Poplar 2 263 Smith John Poplar 2 263

I've found what appears to be my CAVELL family in the 1851 census. They are listed as CAVILL and the wife Amelia has 'mariner's wife' under occupation. Is that a sailor/naval man?I have know idea who the husband is. How can I find a list of mariners in the 1851 census? Both sons are in boys homes in the 1861 census and their is a death of Amelia CAVELL in 1852. I cannot find either of the sons in 1871. their names are Thomas James CAVELL c1848 & George Atherton CAVELL c1851.Can anyone find them for me? Any idea how I could find out the husbands name? I'd appreciate your thoughts. Lisa in Australia