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hi please could someone have a look for a george haynes and an Ellen haynes(nee monks/gibbs) in the birmingham/aston area PLEASE........... fustrated and stuck with these two,i know they had my grt grandma in nov 1902 in aston but thats all i have to go on.appreciate any help.thanks

no birth years or birth places? George Haynes abt 1856 Leicester, Leicestershire, England Head Aston Manor Warwickshire George Haynes abt 1879 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Head Aston Manor Warwickshire <<Has a wife Nelly but.... Do you have Gt Grandmas birth cert?

Nellie could be Ellen 1901 George Haynes abt 1879 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Head Aston Manor Warwickshire George Haynes abt 1900 Aston; Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Son Aston Manor Warwickshire Nellie Haynes abt 1880 Aston; Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Wife Aston Manor Warwickshire Val

Hi Were you looking for a marriage of a george and Ellen on another thread. Found this. Ellen Gibbs 1901 Jul-Aug-Sep Birmingham (1837-1924) Warwickshire View Record George Haynes 1901 Jul-Aug-Sep Birmingham (1837-1924) Warwickshire The won't be on the 1901 census as the marriage was Sept Q Lynne

You're going to need your grandmother's birth certificate to find out her maiden name. Ardie Irene Haynes Year of Registration: 1902 Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec District: Aston County: Warwickshire Volume: 6d Page: 336 Emma

found this marriage Gibbs Ellen Birmingham.6d 247 Marriage Sep 1901 Haynes George Birmingham.6d 247 Marriage Sep 1901 Looks like we need to look fro 2 single people in the 1901 census. Val

hi Jess/everyone other kind person. Got grt grans cert.On it gives grt grans name Ardie irene 20/11/1902 reg 13/12/1902 recorded in duddeston,aston birmingham. shes a girl. Dad is George Haynes mum Ellen Haynes formerly Monks. george is a labourer at elec works ellen registered the birth cant make out address it looks like astor brook street??number 107 ive been given the ellen gibbs before but not sure on that??especially with it saying formerly monks.

Okay, this could be a complete coincidence but ...... Ellen Monks Year of Registration: 1882 Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar District: West Bromwich County: Shropshire, Staffordshire, Worcestershire Volume: 6b Page: 864 John Gibbs 1882 Jan-Feb-Mar West Bromwich Shropshire, Staffordshire, Worcestershire Sarah Holmes 1882 Jan-Feb-Mar West Bromwich Shropshire, Staffordshire, Worcestershire Stephen Holmes 1882 Jan-Feb-Mar West Bromwich Shropshire, Staffordshire, Worcestershire Ellen Monks 1882 Jan-Feb-Mar West Bromwich Shropshire, Staffordshire, Worcestershire I know it's not really the right area and if Ellen Monks were the one marrying John Gibbs, it would mean that two Holmes married each other. It would however explain how she could be Ellen Gibbs when marrying George Haynes, if you follow me .... Really need to find them on the 1901 census. Emma

thanks emma. these pair are such a pains lol.............

could be her on 1881 Name: Ellen Monks Age: 18 Estimated birth year: abt 1863 Relation: Daughter Household: View other family members Family and neighbors: View neighbors Gender: Female Where Born: Dudley, Worcestershire, England Civil parish: West Bromwich County/Island: Staffordshire Country: England Street address: 2 Morris St with Jane Monks abt 1831 Radnorshire, Wales Head West Bromwich Staffordshire , Married, but head

1871 ITS EVEN MORE COMPLICATED!! sorry caps lock was on Ann Butler abt 1816 West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England Wife West Bromwich Staffordshire View Record Emma Butler abt 1870 West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England Daughter West Bromwich Staffordshire Jane Butler abt 1852 Dudley, Worcestershire, England Wife West Bromwich Staffordshire John Butler abt 1851 West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England Husband West Bromwich Staffordshire Mary Ann Butler abt 1855 West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England Daughter West Bromwich Staffordshire Rachel Butler abt 1852 West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England Daughter West Bromwich Staffordshire Thomas Butler abt 1816 West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England Head West Bromwich Staffordshire > Ellen Monks abt 1863 Dudley, Worcestershire, England Sister West Bromwich Staffordshire Thomas Phillips abt 1870 West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England Son West Bromwich Staffordshire

thanks jess wrote that down to refer back too.would make her around 39 when she had Ardie..........possibly more children before she had her then??

Given her age - if it is the right one, i'd have said probably , yes, although who knows?

Thanks alot for all your help jess.i guess il just have to send for the george haynes and ellen gibbs cert to see what that shows up.xx

Clutching at straws a bit here 1901 possibly Ellen Gibbs abt 1862 Dudley, Staffordshire, England Head Aston Manor Warwickshire Ernest Gibbs abt 1896 West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England Son Aston Manor Warwickshire Harry Gibbs abt 1898 Aston Manor, Warwickshire, England Son Aston Manor Warwickshire AND she is a widow!! address 77 priory rd

1891. Image says Gibbs. Looks like the marriage for Ellen Monk is to John Gibbs. Charles W Gills abt 1885 Barnsley, Yorkshire, England Son West Bromwich Staffordshire ............> Ellen Gills abt 1862 Dudley, Worcestershire, England Wife West Bromwich Staffordshire Ellen Gills abt 1883 West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England Daughter West Bromwich Staffordshire ...............> John Gills abt 1857 Rounds Green, Worcestershire, England Head West Bromwich Staffordshire Lucy Gills abt 1891 West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England Daughter West Bromwich Staffordshire Source information: RG12/2268 Registration district: West Bromwich Sub registration district: West Bromwich South West ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Folio: 16 Page: 25

1901. Lucy Gibbs with aunt and uncle who also have a nephew staying with the who happens to have the name Monks!!! .............>Lucy Gibbs abt 1891 West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England Niece Brightwell Berkshire Ann Hewett abt 1848 West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England Wife Brightwell Berkshire David Hewett abt 1847 Brightwell, Berkshire, England Head Brightwell Berkshire .............> William Monks abt 1878 West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England Nephew Brightwell Berkshire Source information: RG13/1138 Registration district: Wallingford Sub-registration district: Cholsey ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Folio: 117 Page: 12 Looks like Ann is Ellen's sister Mary Ann. Surname First name(s) District Vol Page -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marriages Jun 1874 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ..........>Hewett David Brentford 3a 112 Mayes Fanny Brentford 3a 112 ..........>MONKS Mary Ann Brentford 3a 112 Povey Edward Brentford 3a 112

Monks family in 1861, Looks like Jane Butler from 1871 is Ellen's sister. Eliza Monks abt 1839 Shropshire, England Son Dudley Worcestershire James Monks abt 1851 Dudley, Worcestershire, England Son Dudley Worcestershire Jane Monks abt 1829 Radnorshire, Wales Wife Dudley Worcestershire Jane Monks abt 1853 Dudley, Worcestershire, England Daughter Dudley Worcestershire John Monks abt 1807 Ruilet, Shropshire, England Head Dudley Worcestershire Mary Ann Monks abt 1847 Dudley, Worcestershire, England Daughter Dudley Worcestershire Sarah Monks abt 1860 Dudley, Worcestershire, England Daughter Dudley Worcestershire William Monks abt 1858 Dudley, Worcestershire, England Son Dudley Worcestershire Source information: RG9/2058 Registration district: Dudley Sub-registration district: Dudley ED, institution, or vessel: 24 Folio: 9 Page: 11