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Margaret, Many Thanks for all the census.I really appreciate all your Time and Hard work. Speak later. Hugs Sue

I suppose the next thing would be to trace his sisters and find out who they married, to see if Sarah crops up again that way? Anyway, must tidy up now lol! Speak soon. Mags. x

1871: Looks like he might have married his housekeeper? Hannah Finley abt 1822 Catfield, Cumberland, England Housekeeper Newbold William H Finley abt 1863 Watton, Derbyshire, England Son Newbold Allfred Higginbottom abt 1858 Brampton, Derbyshire, England Son Newbold James Higginbottom abt 1822 Brampton, Derbyshire, England Head Newbold 1861: Alfred Higginbottom abt 1859 Brampton, Derbyshire, England Son Brampton Ann Higginbottom abt 1846 Brampton, Derbyshire, England Daughter Brampton Eliza Higginbottom abt 1851 Brampton, Derbyshire, England Daughter Brampton James Higginbottom abt 1821 Brampton, Derbyshire, England Head Brampton Jemima Higginbottom abt 1823 Brampton, Derbyshire, England Wife Brampton Lucy Higginbottom abt 1857 Brampton, Derbyshire, England Daughter Brampton 1851: Anne Higginbottom abt 1846 Brampton, Derbyshire, England Daughter Brampton Eliza Higginbottom abt 1851 Brampton, Derbyshire, England Daughter Brampton Ellen Higginbottom abt 1849 Brampton, Derbyshire, England Daughter Brampton James Higginbottom abt 1822 Brampton, Derbyshire, England Head Brampton Jemima Higginbottom abt 1824 Brampton, Derbyshire, England Wife Brampton Mary Higginbottom abt 1845 Brampton, Derbyshire, England Daughter Brampton 1841: Hannah Higginbottom abt 1829 Derbyshire, England Brampton James Higginbottom abt 1822 Derbyshire, England Brampton Joseph Higginbottom abt 1791 Derbyshire, England Brampton Joseph Higginbottom abt 1826 Derbyshire, England Brampton Nancey Higginbottom abt 1821 Derbyshire, England Brampton Sarah Higginbottom abt 1796 Derbyshire, England Brampton ===Sarah Higginbottom abt 1831 Derbyshire, England Brampton William Higginbottom abt 1817 Derbyshire, England Brampton

1881: James Higginbottom Chas. Bennett abt 1844 Newbold, Derbyshire, England Boarder Chesterfield Wm. Fenley abt 1863 Brampton, Derbyshire, England Boarder Chesterfield A. Higgenbottom abt 1860 Brampton, Derbyshire, England Son Chesterfield H. Higgenbottom abt 1823 Carlisle, Cumberland, England Wife Chesterfield ===James Higgenbottom abt 1821 Brampton, Derbyshire, England Head Chesterfield Helpful initials

Hmm. These relatives are tricky whatsits!! I take it this is James' death: Have you traced him back to see you spot any other connections? Who's living next door etc? Name: James Higginbottom Birth Date: abt 1822 Year of Registration: 1891 Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun Age at death: 69 District: Chesterfield County: Derbyshire Volume: 7b Page: 525 1891: James Higginbottom abt 1822 Brampton, Derbyshire, England Father-in-law Brampton Ann Erefred abt 1847 Brampton, Derbyshire, England Wife Brampton Florence Erefred abt 1875 Brampton, Derbyshire, England Daughter Brampton Jemina Erefred abt 1870 Harland, Derbyshire, England Daughter Brampton Joseph Erefred abt 1844 Scotland Head Brampton Laura Erefred abt 1885 Brampton, Derbyshire, England Daughter Brampton Address Church Street? As you say strange that S Lee informed, when he lived with all these!

Hi Margaret, Good to see you,. Thanks for the info on Ann Carter/Glossop. Christine,/Margaret. This has now got me soooo confused,Can I run it past you to see what you think please. I recieved my grt grandad's Death cert this AM and it says James Higginbottom died 11th June 1891 at 12 Chester Street age 69.Informant is S Lee, niece address is ***forth Street,Newbold, Sarah registered his death on the 12th June 1891. So I looked on 1881 census ----- IGI/Mormon Site to try and find who Sarah married but she was a Widow.I thought with her being his niece it could be his sisters daughter but her year of birth is too early. James wasn't born until 1822 and his eldest brother William born about 1817. Sorry just can't get my head round this one. Think I will have to go to Matlock RO for more info Thanks Your all Stars Sue

Christine, that looks like it!! Well done. (no I've not quite finished tidying up but I was passing the computer!). I'm going to have another look in 51 I don't like it when they disappear!

What about this marriage? Sarah Carter 1847 Jul-Aug-Sep Chesterfield Derbyshire Robert Green Lee 1847 Jul-Aug-Sep Chesterfield Derbyshire Name: Sarah Carter Year of Registration: 1847 Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep District: Chesterfield County: Derbyshire Volume: 19 Page: 373 His death: Robert Green Lee Year of Registration: 1853 Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep District: Chesterfield County: Derbyshire Volume: 7b Page: 302 But I still can't see them on 1851!!

Can't find Sarah in 51 or 41. She MUSt be there somewhere!! Anyway, got to go and tidy up, still left tea stuff out. Got sidetracked again. Good luck, will check back later.

The 1841 found by Mags and Nicky could well be Ann. Occupation of Frederick Carter is druggist Still can't see Sarah (Glossop/Carter - whatever!)

1841 There is this James Glossop - different wife, but - he could have remarried. Neither born in Derbyshire. Charlotte Glossop abt 1776 Chesterfield Derbyshire >>James Glossop abt 1781 Chesterfield Derbyshire I think against his occupation it says 'Army P' Found this on IGI - nothing to say it is the right one though. Father is listed as Thomas SARAH CARTER Christening: 17 SEP 1828 Chesterfield, Derby, England Parents: Father: THOMAS CARTER Mother: ANNE Messages: Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record

Hi Sue! I dont know if this is linked to the Frederick Carter you have above, but strangely there is an Ann born 1803! 1841 Ann Carter abt 1803 Derbyshire, England Chesterfield Derbyshire Frederick Carter abt 1811 Derbyshire, England Chesterfield Derbyshire Henry Carter abt 1826 Derbyshire, England Chesterfield Derbyshire Sarah Carter abt 1816 Derbyshire, England Chesterfield Derbyshire Thomas Carter abt 1824 Derbyshire, England Chesterfield Derbyshire She should have been a Glossop in 1841. Perhaps not the right family. I can't seem to find Sarah yet! Just wondering with the age gap if Ann is actually James' 2nd wife, and didn't marry until after 1841? I can't find the Ann Carter or Frederick Carter in 1851, other than the Fred you have listed already. It certainly looks like the same person.

You're welcome - annoyingly I can't see her in 1851, either with husband or single.

Christine. Thanks a lot for all that info.Sarah must have been very young if she was a widow in 1861. I am going to print this off, Thanks once again, Sue

FC and Mark. Thanks for that info on Sarah Lee, if you don't mind me asking was there an address showing for Sarah Please. Sarah was present when my grt gandad died and the death cert gives an address different from the address where he died and also gives her name with niece. Just can't understand why his niece was present at his death and registered his death when he was widowed and living with his daughter and family. Thanks Sue

1851 for Sarah's parents James Glossop abt 1772 Newark, Nottinghamshire, Head Brampton Derbyshire Anne Glossop abt 1803 Clowne, Derbyshire, Wife Frederick Carter abt 1812 Chesterfield, Derbyshire, Brother-in-law Frederick Carter abt 1843 Chesterfield, Derbyshire, Nephew

1871 - a widow already Anne Glossop abt 1803 Clown, Derbyshire, Head Brampton Derbyshire Sarah Lee abt 1828 Chesterfield, Derbyshire, Daughter (widow, school mistress) and the same in 1861, at home with mother. Ann is a 'vendor of drugs' with Sarah her assistant. Neighbour is a school master.

1871 Anne Glossop abt 1803 Clown, Derbyshire, England Head Brampton Derbyshire Sarah Lee abt 1828 Chesterfield, Derbyshire, England Daughter Brampton Derbyshire Address Baslow Road. Anne is a Vender of Drugs. Sarah is a School Mistress. Source information: RG10/3614 Registration district: Chesterfield Sub-registration district: Chesterfield ED, institution, or vessel: 31 Folio: 41 Page: 33

Would some kind person please look for SARAH LEE nee ?? born about 1829 Schoolmistress widowed on the 1881 census. On the 1881 census she was living at Shaws Row Brampton Derbyshire. Thanks in Advance. Sue