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I am tearing my hair out and hope someone can help me out there. I am searching for a birth record of my G G G Grandfather John Whiteman. From his military records he was stated as being born in Parish of Nelson, Glasgow, but there is no such parish. Could be Parish of Neilston, Glasgow but I can't find him. His parents are listed as William and Flora nee McDonald and I can't find a marriage for them either. I'm thinking they could have been married in England? Could someone check if they can find this family anywhere in the country please. John Whiteman was born in c1831 as he died in 1915 at the age of 84. John Whiteman was a Farrier Major at Curragh Camp in Ireland when he left the army c1874 and I have reason to believe that his father, William was also in the army. Many thanks for this....

hiya, could this be him??? will have look at image Name: John Whiteman Age: 39 Estimated birth year: abt 1832 Relation: Husband Household: View other family members Gender: Male Where born: Glasgow Lanark, Scotland Civil Parish: Hulme Ecclesiastical parish: St Georges County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Disability: View image Source information: RG10/4006 Registration district: Chorlton Sub-registration district: Hulme ED, institution, or vessel: Calvary Barracks Folio: 145 Page: 26 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 1 julie

Yes that is definitely him as I know he was stationed at Hulme at some point in his life before moving back to Scotland. The problem is I can't seem to find a record of his birth anywhere, not even on Scotlands People.

hiya, image states 1871 john Whiteman-age 39 occup- soldier farrier major, born, glasgow, lanark, scot emily wife 35 manchester william harry 10 manchester john morgan 8 dublin harry mcdonnell 5 cahair??? tipperary, ireland duncan cameron 4 newbridge, kildare, ireland will ahvea look for 61 julie

hiya, havent you got his miliary records??? surely that would say?? do you need other census details??? if so i am willing to have look???? Julie

i found this from 41 cen Name: John Whiteman Age: 10 Estimated birth year: abt 1831 Household: View other family members Gender: Male Where born: Scotland Civil parish: St Boswells County: Roxburghshire Address: Whinfield Stable Occupation: Ag Lab Parish Number: 804 ED: 2 Page: 3 (click to see others on page) julie

Still no luck with your John then? Does it give the parents on the 41 julie?

1861- coventry View Record Emily Whiteman abt 1837 Manchester, Lancashire, England Wife Coventry St Michael Warwickshire View Record John Whiteman abt 1832 Scotland Head Coventry St Michael Warwickshire View Record William Hy Whiteman abt 1860 Manchester, Lancashire, England Son Coventry St Michael Warwickshire julie

hello willo, no it doesnt, he is living with another man, 1841 View Record John Stoddart abt 1821 Roxburghshire, Scotland St Boswells Roxburghshire 804 View Record John Whiteman abt 1831 Scotland St Boswells Roxburghshire 804 and there isnt an image to check either, it doesnt give relationships on 41 cen, at anyrate, well english ones anyway, dont know about others Julie

I looked yesterday afternoon on scotlandspeople for him, theres no sign of him or his given parents marriage. I wonder if he made it up, perhaps if I look for the man he is living with on the 41 census and see if there is a relationship.

hiya, have you tried IGI, or hugh wallis site for bapt/?? poss parents marriage?? just re read you have milt records, didnt see that, sorry Julie

birth were not formally recorded until 1837 -sothere will be no birth cert as such. the best you'll find is a baptism , if indeed he was baptised.

Thank you so much for all this info, I am having such trouble with this side of my family! I had come across the John Whiteman at St Boswells and thought that could be him, perhaps as you say both parents were dead and he lived with family, but I would be more convinced if I could find an actual marriage record for his parents William Whiteman and Flora McDonald. At time of John Whiteman's marriage to Emily Morgan (1859) his father is stated as William Whiteman, Mechanic. It does not say that he is deceased. On John Whiteman's death certificate (1815) it states that his father William Whiteman was a soldier (artillery) and his mother is Flora Whiteman m.s. McDonald?? But where are they? I'm sure John must have had brothers and sisters!

hiya is it possible they were in ireland???? would explain why you cant find them here, I guess I'm clutching at straws, but some of children were born there, and one has mcdonnell as middle name, i realize he could've been posted there, but maybe his parents were there too???? just a thought Julie

That's what I have been thinking! Is there any way I can get census records for Ireland?? I'm quite new to all of this. I really appreciate your help! Lynne

hiya, as far as i know, irish records are very difficult online, but i'm sure if you google irish military/irish roots, you may find something of use, or try another posting for help with irish records/military??? sorry cant be of more help Julie