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Hi to anyone who's reading this post, and please forgive me if it seems a long one, but this family is driving me crazy :-( I have just received marriage and birth certs. for my grandmother Florence Beasey b Jan 1905 West Derby Liverpool.( I was always told that she was illegitimate) Her birth cert names Susan Beasey and |William Beasey as her parents... mothers miden name Brovitt. Her marriage cert. says she was 19 at the time (Sept 1922) also states William Beasey (deceased) as father, I know Florence had a brother John Beasey Halewood b c 1908, and other siblings who carry the Halewood name,4 born before the 1915 marriage and a further 2 after 1915. I looked for info on Susan Jane Beasey(32 spinster) and found a marriage to William Halewood(45 Widower) in March 1915 Liverpool,Both living at Leigh Street Liverpool) ( maybe some of children were William's but not Susan's) My cousin who is also doing the tree says the parents names are correct as her father was John Beasey Halewood. This is where confusion sets in..... I have got a marriage cert. for Susan Beasey to Hugh McNally Sept 1898 Liverpool Susan being 36 and named as a widow and father named as Joseph Brovitt. Am i following the wrong family?????How do i find out who belongs to me??? Totally lost and feel like giving up. Thanks to anyone who managed to get to the end of this post. Best wishes Jean

Spreading it out....easier to digest! Hi to anyone who's reading this post, and please forgive me if it seems a long one, but this family is driving me crazy :- I have just received marriage and birth certs. for my grandmother Florence Beasey b Jan 1905 West Derby Liverpool. ( I was always told that she was illegitimate) Her birth cert names Susan Beasey and William Beasey as her parents... mothers miden name Brovitt. Her marriage cert. says she was 19 at the time (Sept 1922) also states William Beasey (deceased) as father, I know Florence had a brother John Beasey Halewood b c 1908, and other siblings who carry the Halewood name,4 born before the 1915 marriage and a further 2 after 1915. I looked for info on Susan Jane Beasey(32 spinster) and found a marriage to William Halewood(45 Widower) in March 1915 Liverpool, Both living at Leigh Street Liverpool) ( maybe some of children were William's but not Susan's) My cousin who is also doing the tree says the parents names are correct as her father was John Beasey Halewood. This is where confusion sets in..... I have got a marriage cert. for Susan Beasey to Hugh McNally Sept 1898 Liverpool Susan being 36 and named as a widow and father named as Joseph Brovitt. Am i following the wrong family????? How do i find out who belongs to me??? Totally lost and feel like giving up. Thanks to anyone who managed to get to the end of this post. Best wishes Jean

Just so you know we are not all ignoring you, but this one takes a bit of thinking about! If it is the same Susan on all the certificates, then she was 'economical with the truth' on at least some of them, but that is certainly possible. My great-grandmother certainly was on some of hers. I've already forgotten half of what you posted so will have to post this up and reread yours... Kate.

Checking on Ancestry, there is no result of any sort for the name Susan Brovitt. There is a Susan J Beasey in West Derby aged 19 The only William Beasey is in Norfolk,and is aged 42. Not helping much, I fear.........except that it looks very likely that the girl on 1901 is the one who married Mr Halewood in 1915.............sorry to be cynical, but a 'deceased' father is so often a face-saver, to cover up illegitimacy Reg

One little crumb of information - there is only one Brovitt on FreeBMD at all, and that is an Eliza H who got married down south in 1910. I will see if I can find any anywhere else! Kate.

The marriage to Hugh Mcnally seems like a red herring as surely Susan would still be a Brovitt or atleast she would have turned up in 1881 as a Brovitt and I cannot see her

Can you give us the names of the witnesses on the marriage certificates, please, in case any of them helps at all? Kate.

Soz, the kids want to go on the computer now so I will have to take a break from this one for now. Susan J. Beasey in 1901 is single, by the way, according to the census, anyway. Birthplace Liverpool Lancs. I wonder if she was also illegitimate and so was never actually a Brovitt? (Apart from the fact that the surname Brovitt hardly seems to exist anyway.) Bye for now, Kate.

This is the 1898 marriage reg'n Name: Susan Beasey Year of Registration: 1898 Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep District: West Derby County: Lancashire Volume: 8b Page: 1133 Hugh McNally OR John Spence Abrahams Also on page...... Alice Frances Guiver Checking 1901, John and Alice married each other Reg

1901 census Susan J Beasey abt 1882 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Boarder West Derby Lancashire

1891 has this entry Jane Beasey abt 1882 Brighton, Sussex, Daughter West Derby Lancashire (could this be Susan J? - see mother's name)) Rose E Beasey abt 1889 Liverpool Everton, Lancashire, Daughter >>Susan Beasey abt 1861 Brighton, Sussex, Wife William J Beasey abt 1890 Liverpool Everton, Lancashire, Son William T Beasey abt 1861 Worcester, Worcestershire, Head (occupation: wine and spirit porter) 1901 - Susan (from Brighton) has remarried Rose E Beasey abt 1889 Liverpool, Lancashire, Stepdaughter Everton Lancashire Hugh Mc Nally abt 1873 Liverpool, Lancashire, Head >> Susan Mc Nally abt 1863 Burgess Hill, Sussex, Wife

Name: William Thomas Beasey Birth Date: abt 1861 Year of Registration: 1896 Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep Age at death: 35 District: West Derby County: Lancashire Volume: 8b Page: 369

so was Florence the result of incest or did Jane just have a vivid imagination. There seems to be no registration of her birth in GRO (FreeBMD View Images) that is there is only one Beasey between Dec 1881 and Dec 1883

Thank you so much for all your replies. As requested the witnesses on the marriage certs are as follows Florence Beasey m William H Bellas Sept 1922 witnessed by Albert E Gott and Ada Bellas/J Halewood Susan Jane Beasey m William Halewood March 1915 witnessed by Henry M??yley( name smudged) and Jane JacksonJohnson (name query) Susan Beasey m Hugh McNally Sept 1898 witnessed by Margaret McNally and Kate McNally Susan J Beasey did have a brother called William, and i wondered if his name was used as father on Florence's cert to avoid shame?? once again thank you so much for the help and time you took to read my posting best wishes Jean

Update on info, Just realised that the Susan Beasey who married Hugh McNally is probably Susan Jane Beasey's mother!!!! DOH!!!!!!! am i an idiot?????? please don't answer that lol. thanks again best wishes jean

As you mentiond that Susan was a spinster, aged 32, when she married in 1915, the girl in 1901 aged 19 has pretty well got to be her. Your first thought about Florence being illegitimate would almost certainly be accurate. The name Beasey is not exactly common, and as already stated, the name Brovitt appears only twice on the whole of Ancestry. Reg

I started to look for a birth earlier than 1905 and came across; Frederick Beasey 1902 dec qtr west derby 8b 620 William Ditto Almost certainly related

From the 1871 census Joseph Browitt abt 1825 Thorpe, Rutland, England Head Brighton Sussex Elizabeth Browitt abt 1825 Gretton, Northamptonshire, England Wife Brighton Sussex Mary Ann Browitt abt 1849 Gretton, Northamptonshire, England Daughter Brighton Sussex John Browitt abt 1853 Thorpe, Rutland, England Son Brighton Sussex Elizabeth Browitt abt 1857 Actckling, Sussex, England Daughter Brighton Sussex Joseph Browitt abt 1857 Thorpe, Rutland, England Son Brighton Sussex >>>>>>Susan Browitt abt 1861 Actckling, Sussex, England Daughter Brighton Sussex William Browitt abt 1859 Actckling, Sussex, England Son Brighton Sussex Fred Browitt abt 1864 Actckling, Sussex, England Son Brighton Sussex and 1881 Joseph Browitt abt 1825 Thorpe, Rutland, England Head Brighton Sussex Elizabeth Browitt abt 1824 Gretton, Northamptonshire, England Wife Brighton Sussex Emma Browitt abt 1852 Gretton, Northamptonshire, England Daughter Brighton Sussex >>>>Susan Browitt abt 1860 Ditchling, Sussex, England Daughter Brighton Sussex Frederick Browitt abt 1863 Ditchling, Sussex, England Son Brighton Sussex Willie J. Browitt abt 1874 Brighton, Sussex, England Grandson Brighton Sussex . plus this marriage Joseph Browitt 1846 Jan-Feb-Mar Uppingham Leicestershire, Northamptonshire, Rutland Elizabeth Lattimore 1846 Jan-Feb-Mar Uppingham Leicestershire, Northamptonshire, Rutland No sign of a Browitt/Beasey marriage though Helen

Birth record for William Beasey Name: William Thoras Beasey (Thomas, presumably) Year of Registration: 1860 Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec District: Worcester County: Hereford And Worcester, Worcestershire Volume: 6c Page: 283 and his family in 1861 Jane Beasley abt 1830 Worcestershire, England Head St Peter Worcestershire Mary A Beasley abt 1851 Worcestershire, England Daughter St Peter Worcestershire William Thos Beasley abt 1860 Worcestershire, England Son St Peter Worcestershire The image does say Beasey. Jane is unmarried. and 1871 Benjamin Sands abt 1815 Worcestershire, England Head St Helen Worcestershire Jane Sands abt 1829 Worcestershire, England Wife St Helen Worcestershire William Thos Beasay abt 1861 Worcestershire, England Son St Helen Worcestershire Jane and Benjamin both died in 1879. Helen

WOW!!!!! What can i say except thank you so much for all the info you have given me. It's certainly given me something to work on now lol. Thank you so much everyone, you're all stars xxxxx Best wishes Jean