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Caroline, a couple of points: - Although ancestry have decided to show 'mother's name' on census transcriptions, there is actually no such information given on the census return so this is misleading. What you usually have is the male head of household, his wife, and the children. So Mary Ann / Maria could be his second wife and the stepmother to the children. But of course Mary Ann / Maria could be Adelheid's nickname. - Often the man's stepchildren will be listed on the census as his children with his surname. So it could be that the children had a different surname at birth. Sorry but I have to go to bed now but if I get the chance to go on the computer tomorrow I will see if I can find anything more specific to help. Kate.

Bedtime for me too i'm afraid. Sorry i can't help more than i have. Glen

So it COULD be possible that the marriage cert may be right! Oh dear...how confusing! Well that you all for trying to help at least now I know that it wasn't just me missing something blatently obvious! Thank you all so much for your time an efforts. Bed time for me too Caroline xx

This is the 2 Webb children on the 1881 census mothers name Mary Ann she has an infant child 1 month old, could be James from the 1891 census? Name: John Webb Age: 4 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877 Relation: Lodger Son Gender: Male Where Born: Bermondsey, Surrey, England Civil parish: Bermondsey County/Island: London Country: England Street address: 31 Crosby Row Education: Employment status: View image Registration district: St Olave Southwark Sub registration district: Leather Market ED, institution, or vessel: 7 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age George Webb 8 Infant Webb John Webb 4 Mary Ann Webb 37 Georgina.

This is a confusing one. I can't work out whether Adelheid and Maria / Mary Ann are the same person or two different people! One thing you could do is to get the birth certificate for one of the Webb children - George or John - to see what the mother's details are on it. Also, what are the details given for Adelheid (and her father) on the marriage certificate? Maybe we can find her on a census. And who are the witnesses on the marriage certificate? (Herman and Adelheid's, I mean, though I suppose the witnesses on James's might come in useful too, actually!) Had a look at the GRO birth index for Jun 1881 but there was no James Webb registered in Bermondsey for that quarter. Not much help! Kate.