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Trying to find the names of my grandmothers parents, I am told her mum was called Annie Messenger this would be her married name but not sure of her dads name, dont know any dates except that my grandmother was born in 1924 and had a few older brothers and sisters, so this is a long shot! I believe they might have come from the Manchester areas if this is any help, I have tried looking on family search but to no avail. So if anyone can find me any Messengers from the Manchester area I would be very grateful, if there are too many too list then it doesnt matter as I dont want to put anyone to too much trouble. Thankyou! Marie: )

All Messengers in Lancashire in 1901 with Manchester used in the keywords box:- Albert E Messenger Alice abt 1887 Mancr, Lancashire, England Son South Manchester Lancashire Alice Messenger abt 1855 Mancr, Lancashire, England Head South Manchester Lancashire Elizabeth Messenger Joseph abt 1864 Manchester, Lancashire, England Wife Walton on the Hill Lancashire Florence Messenger George, Harriet abt 1887 Manchester, Lancashire, England Daughter Manchester Lancashire George Messenger Harriet abt 1855 Hemel Hempstead, Hertfordshire, England Head Manchester Lancashire George Messenger George, Harriet abt 1892 Manchester, Lancashire, England Son Manchester Lancashire George Messenger abt 1882 Manchester, Lancashire, England Grandson South Manchester Lancashire George C Messenger Margaret abt 1890 Bromfield, Cumberland, England Stepson South Manchester Lancashire Harriet Messenger George abt 1849 Bolton, Lancashire, England Wife Manchester Lancashire Ida M Messenger Emily abt 1895 Manchester, Lancashire, England Granddaughter Moss Side Lancashire James Messenger Margaret abt 1897 Bromfield, Cumberland, England Stepson South Manchester Lancashire Jane Messenger Thomas abt 1834 Nk, London, England Wife South Manchester Lancashire John Messenger abt 1872 Maryport, Cumberland, England Boarder Manchester Lancashire Josephine Messenger Margaret abt 1886 Bromfield, Cumberland, England Stepdaughter South Manchester Lancashire Jos J Messenger Margaret abt 1895 Bromfield, Cumberland, England Stepson South Manchester Lancashire Margaret Ann Messenger abt 1856 Manchester, Lancashire, England Salford Lancashire Maude Messenger Alice abt 1889 Mancr, Lancashire, England Daughter South Manchester Lancashire Sarah Messenger abt 1888 Manchester, Lancashire, England Servant Broughton Lancashire Sarah Messenger abt 1878 Altringham, Cheshire, England Lodger Manchester Lancashire Sarah Messenger Margaret abt 1884 Bromfield, Cumberland, England Stepdaughter South Manchester Lancashire Thomas Messenger Jane abt 1836 Manchester, Lancashire, England Head South Manchester Lancashire Thomas E Messenger Thomas, Jane abt 1869 Manchester, Lancashire, England Son South Manchester Lancashire Where there is another name after the name Messenger, this is either the spouse or parents names. Kath. x

Thankyou Kath, Very Much Appreciated! Marie: )

I've tried to spread it out a bit since I first posted the list. Hope it's easier to understand. If you want the full details of any of them let me know, although I won't be online for too long. Kath. x

Thankyou Kath, very kind of you! Marie: )

Do you have your grandmother's full name? If she was born in 1924, her mother's maiden name will be in the birth index. Kath. x

My grandmother was called Harriet Messenger before she married, her mother was Annie Messenger but I dont know her maiden name at all, and I dont know Annies Husbands name either, I have a feeling this one is going to be an akward one, My grandmother was brought up in Manchester but not sure if thats hwere her parents came from when they were younger. Thankyou again, Marie: )

Got to nip out now for a while so I will reply to anything anyone can find for me later. Thankyou so much, Marie: )

I can't find a Harriet Messenger birth in 1923, 1924, or 1925. Could your grandmother have been born before her parents were married, and registered with her mother's maiden name? Kath. x

Not sure to be honest Kath, thats so strange because I am almost sure I have her birth year right, I will have to check with my dad. Its got me thinking now! I know she was one of many children and they all have the same surname, mind you that doesnt mean anything does it? I will have to double check things with my dad and get back to you. Thankyou Again Marie: )

Just found out that Harriet would be about 84 today so that means i had the date wrong, so sorry, so looking at 1922, also her mum Annie was married to a George. Hope this is useful. Thankyou Marie: )

I've managed to find your grandmothers birth:- Harriet Messenger, mother's maiden name Miller Sept. qtr. 1921, Manchester, 8d, 400 With this information I decided to look again at the list of Messengers I gave you from 1901. I thought that Harriet might have been named after a grandparent. There is a George Messenger who had a mother called Harriet, so I did a search for marriages of a George Messenger to see if I could find one married to an Annie Miller. Up popped this one which seems to be right:- George Messenger, spouse Annie Miller June qtr. 1914, Manchester, 8d, 375 Hope this helps. Kath. x

I am fairly certain that these are the details of your great grandfather George Messenger from the 1901 census. He's the only George Messenger who is of the right age and unmarried at the time:- Name: George Messenger Age: 9 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1892 Relation: Son Father's name: George Mother's name: Harriet Gender: Male Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England Civil parish: Manchester Ecclesiastical parish: Manchester Albert Memorial County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: 121 Churnet Street (that's what it looks like) Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Single Education: Employment status: View image Registration district: Manchester Sub-registration district: St George ED, institution, or vessel: 22 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 48 Household Members: Name Age William Cawley 40 Emily Eva Jones 16 Fanny M Jones 14 Florence Messenger 14 George Messenger 46 George Messenger 9 Harriet Messenger 52 I've saved the image if you'd like it - just message me with your email address and I'll send it to you. It looks like George's mother had been married before as the two girls named Jones are described as step-daughters to the head of household. Kath. x

I've had a look on the 1901 census for Annie Miller, but there are quite a few in Manchester of about the right age, so to find her family you would have to order the marriage certificate for her and George (reference given earlier) and this will give you her father's name and occupation, which will make it easier to narrow them down. Kath. x

It looks like George's father had also been married before, because here he is in 1891 as a widower (obviously before he married Harriet):- Name: George Messenger Age: 37 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854 Relation: Head Gender: Male Where Born: Hemel Hempstead, Hertfordshire, England Civil parish: Manchester Ecclesiastical parish: Albert Memorial County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: 131 Cheltenham Street Occupation: Green Grocer and Coal Dealer Condition as to marriage: Widow Education: Employment status: View image Registration district: Manchester Sub registration district: St George ED, institution, or vessel: 14b Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Florence Messenger 4 George Messenger 37 Sarah Ann Messenger 14 Have saved this image too. Kath. x

Here's George Messenger Snr. in 1881 with his first wife:- Name: George Messenger Age: 26 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855 Relation: Head Spouses's Name: Mary Gender: Male Where Born: Hempstead, Hertfordshire, England Civil parish: Radcliffe County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: 1 Smyrna St Condition as to marriage: Married Education: Employment status: View image Occupation: Gardener (Unemployed) Registration district: Bury Sub registration district: Radcliffe ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age James Carney 30 Hugh Collins 24 James Cosgrive 22 George Messenger 26 Mary Messenger 33 Sarah Messenger 3 Bernard Reaney 27 Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 3869; Folio: 146; Page: 54 Kath. x

This is the marriage of George Messenger Snr. to his second wife Harriet Jones:- Name: George Messenger Year of Registration: 1891 Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun District: Manchester (1837-1924) County: Lancashire Volume: 8d Page: 228 Kath. x

Thankyou Kath you have been a tremendous help, sorry for not replying sooner but had to wait for hubby and kids to finish using the computer. Thankyou again Marie