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Hi Maureen just letting you know no luck on kelly's they did say try HistoricalDirectories and also The Electoral Roll. Thank you 4 your help.

Hi Jillian I would try posting it on this board. You would be surprised how kind and helpful people are. People have looked up divorce details in The Times, probate records, etc etc. for me. Suggestion for the title is 'Kelly's Directory look ups for Edmonton please' Please let us know if you have any success. Maureen

Hi Mareen where do I post it on here.

Hi Jillian I posted my previous message prior to reading your message above it so does all seem to tie in except for the fact that his father was down as Jack on his marriage certificate.Has the info that you have from g g g uncle Mick come from within the family ? You could try posting a request for someone who lives in the Edmonton area to look at Kelly's directories for 10 and 12 Hartington Rd between 1905 and 1925 to see who was listed at these addresses (you will only get the name of the head of the household) Maureen

Hi Jillian Have found a Charles and Margaret Goldsmith in 1901 at City Rd Holborn with 5 children Charles born c1869 was born Old Ford and was a letterpress printer. Marriage possibility was 1889 Dec qtr at Holborn. Maureen

My dad has found some info on Charles Thomas Goldsmith he was born at old ford England, he was a Letterpress Printer plus he died 14/ 01/1936 North Middlesex Hosptial Edmonton.SOURCE OF DATA WAS A G.G UNCLE MICK.

Well if the father on the birth cert was also a labourer its possible they are the same chap. But if he's an accountant, I'd say its unlikely.

On the marriage certificate Harolds father Jack Goldsmith was a labourer. The infomation my dads cousin has on the birth certificate said his father was Charles Thomas Goldsmith & the mother was Margaret Martin.

Do you know who the mother is on the cert - that might help find them on 1901 census if they were married then, and also to find their marriage. What is the father's occupation on the birth and marriage certs? nell

I do not have the birth certificate, but I have the witnesses on the marriage certificate WILLIAM. R. DENNIS & NATHAN FREDRICK DITCHMAN .

Possibles for Charles Goldsmith in 1901 census, Edmonton area: Charles Goldsmith Kate abt 1876 Balham, Surrey, Head Edmonton Middlesex Charles H Goldsmith George R, Mary A A abt 1890 Crouch End, London, Son Hornsey Middlesex Chas Goldsmith Florence abt 1872 St Johns Wd, London, Head Tottenham Middlesex

Several possibilities. a) you have a birth cert and a marriage cert for two different Harold Goldsmiths. b) Its the same chap,but his father was known as Jack although his real name was something else. c) As the addresses are similar, either this family moved in the same road a bit (which happened quite a lot in my tree) OR the numbers changed but the house remained the same OR these two Harolds are different but probably related in some way. Maybe Jack and Charles Thomas were brothers or cousins?

Hi Jillian Can you give us the other details from the birth cert, mother's name etc and who were the witnesses to the marriage? Maureen

Hello Yes Harold Goldsmith born 1905 did marry Victora Ina Chapman on the 25th Dec 1925.She was 18 he was 20 I have the marriage certificate in front of me.Both names are clear Jack Goldsmith & Thomas Jonathan Chapman ,the addresses are as follow's the Goldsmiths 12 Hartington Road Edmonton & 184 Bretenham Road Edmonton.On my cousin's birth cert Harold is living at number 10,Hartington Road.

Which of the above two birth certificates does your cousin have? I would think you should order the one you haven't got giving Jack or John (which Jack is usually short for) as a checking point for the father's name. I can't imagine that on the death certificate your cousin has that the father's name is even mentioned (unless he outlived Harold and was the informant). Kath. x

Hi Jillian If the marriage certificate is correct i.e Victoria was your grandmother then possibly you have the wrong birth certificate for Harold. What address is on Harold's birth certificate? How do you know that Charles Thomas was born in 1869? Maureen

Jillian I think what is going to complicate things a little more is that there were 2 Harold Goldsmiths born in the same year... Births Sep 1905 Goldsmith Harold Ebenezer Croydon 2a 281 Births Dec 1905 Goldsmith Harold Edmonton 3a 600 Do you know for sure that your Harold married Victoria Ina Chapman? Georgina.

Hi can anyone help me my cousin has our grandad Harold Goldsmith born 1905 birth & death cert.On them it stats that Harolds father's name was Charles Thomas Goldsmith born 1869, Harold got married on the 25th Dec 1925 to Victora Ina Chapman born 1907 .His fathers name on the marrige cert is Jack Goldsmith Harold lived at number 10, Hartington Road Edmonton N9 before he got married and on the marrige cert he lived at number 12 Hartington Road N9.Is there some mix up .