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Haha...you both deserve a cuppa after all teh hard work youve done here! Thanks very much i really appreciate it, and you have helped me get further i have just been searching on Family search.org and found a marriage between William and jane watson in the Isle of man which gave me her maiden name and also loads of baptisms and births for the children! Thanks so much to the both of you! Thanks georgina for the two 1871 census' you have just posted i am a bit unsure which one to go for i think i will go for the younger one as on her marriage cert she is a minor Thanks once again both of you. Stephanie.

Ellen White's in 1871... Name: Ellen White Age: 19 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852 Relation: Servant Gender: Female Where born: Walton; Liverpool Civil Parish: Liverpool Ecclesiastical parish: St Silas Town: Liverpool County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Disability: View image Registration district: Liverpool Sub-registration district: Mount Pleasant ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 131 Household Members: Name Age Chas Jos Robinson 11 Elizabeth Robinson 34 Elizabeth Ann Robinson 9 Geo Wilkinson Robinson 37 Geo Wilkinson Robinson 15 Mgt Hodgson Robinson 6 Sarah Robinson 17 Ellen White 19 Address is 43 Great Newton Street. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Name: Ellen White Age: 17 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854 Relation: Servant Gender: Female Where born: Liverpool Civil Parish: Liverpool Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas Town: Liverpool County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Disability: View image Registration district: Liverpool Sub-registration district: St Thomas ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 66 Household Members: Name Age Charlotte McLean 36 David McLean 20 Sarah Nutter 32 Ellen White 17 Henry Witter 35 The address looks like 29 Wapping? Both Ellen's are servants. Georgina.

I realised that I was looking at the 1861! Silly me!! Told you, time for cuppa - going to put kettle on - one lump or two?

Hi Christine why was the 1851 wrong? Thanks for the update and the 1871 white census. Stephanie.

Ellen's parents and siblings in 1871 Name: Samuel White Age: 11 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860 Relation: Son Father's name: William Mother's name: Mary Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Toxteth Park Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas County: Lancashire Registration district: West Derby Sub-registration district: Toxteth Park Household Members: Eliza White 6 Joseph White 14 Mary White 42 Mary J White 9 Samuel White 11 William White 40

Hi Christine...that would be an idea! Thanks very much for all the help! Hi Georgina thankyou for that better version of the 1861. Are both the girls birth dates the same? Would it be possible if you could give me both address of the Ellen Whites in 1871 as i could look into further detail with them in the records office. However on her marriage cert in 1872 she has no occupation? Thanks very much for all of your help Steph

I deleted my posting re 1851 - it was totally wrong! (Time for cuppa I think) 1861 all White household born in Liverpool. Update: I see Georgina's posted this already.

Steph in 1871 there are 2 Ellen White's who could be her but both are servants in Liverpool. Georgina.

Steph this is a better version of the 1861 census... Ellen White, abt 1854 Liverpool Daughter Whitby Cheshire Joseph White, abt 1858 Liverpool Son Whitby Cheshire Mary White abt 1834 Liverpool Wife Whitby Cheshire Samuel White, abt 1860 Liverpool Son Whitby Cheshire William White abt 1831 Liverpool Head Whitby Cheshire Georgina.

Possible birth registration for brother Jonathan (too many Williams in 1852). Birth cert would have mother's maiden name. Name: Jonathan Watson Year of Registration: 1866 Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar District: West Derby County: Lancashire Volume: 8b Page: 281

Hi Georgina dont worry as long as i have a street thats alright! You have helped me alot! Thanks Christine! I think that they would have been born in the Isle of man maybe, wasnt there hatred towards people from different places in those days like people hated the irish when they first arrived here? Thanks Steph

Hi Georgina thankyou for Ellen and her family in 1861 but could you tell me where the parents where born and also are all of the children born in Liverpool? Thanks sorry for being a nuisance.

The address for William in 1861 is Upper Mann Street, 4 Court or Owen Place. Steph on second look I think it is Upper Mann Street 46 ??? or Owen Place. Maybe Christine could take a look & see what she thinks? Georgina.

Address for 1871 on updated posting.

This looks like Ellen in 1861 her fathers occupation is Flatman... Name: Ellen White Age: 7 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854 Relation: Daughter Father's name: William Mother's name: Mary Gender: Female Where born: Liverpool Civil parish: Whitby Town: Whitby County/Island: Cheshire Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: View image Registration district: Wirral Sub-registration district: Eastham ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 124 Household Members: Name Age Ellen White 7 Joseph White 3 Mary White 27 Samuel White 1 William White 30 There is no street address. Georgina.

Hi Georgina and Christine Wow thanks! That will really help me i now have the whole family! Thankyou! Can i ask though, what are the Street address' for the 1871 and 1861 census' that both of you have found? Thanks

This could be William & his family in 1861, his fathers occupation is Carter. Name: William Watson Age: 9 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852 Relation: Son Father's name: William Mother's name: Jane Gender: Male Where born: Liverpool Civil parish: Toxteth Park Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: View image Registration district: West Derby Sub-registration district: Toxteth Park ED, institution, or vessel: 26 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 6 Household Members: Name Age Jane Watson 29 Mary Jane Watson 5 Thomas Watson 2 William Watson 31 William Watson 9 Georgina.

1871 for William Watson ? Name: William Watson Age: 18 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853 Relation: Son Father's name: William Mother's name: Jane Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Toxteth Park Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas Town: Liverpool County: Lancashire Registration district: West Derby Sub-registration district: Toxteth Park Household Members: - all children born Liverpool James Watson 2 Jane Watson 39 born Isle of Man Jonathan Watson 5 Martha A Watson 3 months Mary J Watson 15 Thomas Watson 12 shipwright apprentice William Watson 42 (labourer) born Isle of Man William Watson 18 (carter) 100 Upper Mann Street

For reference this is William & Ellen in 1881... Name: William Watson Age: 29 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852 Relation: Head Spouses's Name: Ellen Gender: Male Where Born: Liverpool Civil parish: Kirkdale County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: 12 Brunswick Terr Condition as to marriage: Married Education: Employment status: View image Occupation: Carter Registration district: West Derby Sub registration district: Kirkdale ED, institution, or vessel: 47 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Ellen Watson 28 James Watson 2 Joseph Watson 4 Mary Ellen Watson 6 William Watson 29 Georgina.

Hi I would appreciate if somebody could lookup one or both of these families in 1861/1871 whichever is easier. Unfortunately i have very limited info on the families at the moment, and do not know all of the possible family members; so i am open to any finds! Both families should be in Liverpool 1st Family: Head: William Watson born c.1830 dont know where? occ: Carter Son: William Waston born c.1852 in Liverpool (occ: carter) This may be a daughter: Mary Jane Watson born ? in Liverpool 2nd Family: Head: William White born c.1830 dont know where?Occ: Flatman Daughter: Ellen White born c.1853 in Liverpool This may be a son: William White born ? in Liverpool Thanks Very much. I am sorry i have got so little info. I got the info from a marriage certificate.