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Thank you all - sorry I was off line - night in NZ and I have to sleep sometime. I think I am closing in on them - the william aged 65 matches mine although I have a son John for him already who doesn't quite fit (!) Could someone look for the address - mine died 1868 at 5 North Place. Here's hoping Peter

Hi 1851 possible family connection John Lamminew Age: 24 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1827 Relation: Son Father's name: William Gender: Male Where born: Marylebone, Middlesex, England Civil Parish: St Marylebone Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Disability: View Image Registration district: Marylebone Sub-registration district: St John ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 121 Household Members: Name Age John Lamminew 24 Fishmonger Joseph Lamminew 27 Fishmonger William Lamminew 66 Fishmonger Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1491; Folio: 182; Page: 25; GSU roll: 87819-87820. Regards Gail

1861 England Census Record about Joseph Lammerman Name: Joseph Lammerman Age: 2 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859 Relation: Son Father's name: John Mother's name: Mary Gender: Male Where born: Paddington, Middlesex, England Civil Parish: Paddington Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Registration district: Kensington Sub-registration district: St Mary Paddington ED, institution, or vessel: 17 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 31 Household Members: Name Age John Lammerman 45 John Lammerman 7 Joseph Lammerman 2 Mary Lammerman 3 Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 4; Folio: 42; Page: 5; GSU roll: 542554.

Hi 1871 Census Name: Joseph Lamian Age: 40 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831 Relation: Lodger Gender: Male Where born: Marylebone Civil Parish: St Marylebone Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch Town: London County/Island: London Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Disability: View Image Registration district: Marylebone Sub-registration district: Christchurch ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 416 Household Members: Name Age Henry Lamian 8 Joseph Lamian 40 fishmonger, Kate Lamian 50 Louisa Lamian 18 William Lamian 60 Fishmonger, born Hampshire Elizabeth Pearce 18 Henry Pearce 7 Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 172; Folio: 35; Page: 62; GSU roll: 823303 Regards Gail.

1871 Name: Joseph Lammoman Age: 10 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861 Relation: Son Father's name: John Mother's name: Mary Gender: Male Where born: Paddington Civil Parish: St Marylebone Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch County/Island: London Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Disability: View Image Registration district: Marylebone Sub-registration district: St John ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 243 Household Members: Name Age James Lammoman 7 months John Lammoman 54 John Lammoman 17 Joseph Lammoman 10 Mary Lammoman 41 James Lammoman abt 1870 Marylebone Daughter St Marylebone London John Lammoman abt 1817 Marylebone Head St Marylebone London John Lammoman abt 1854 Paddington Son St Marylebone London Joseph Lammoman abt 1861 Paddington Son St Marylebone London Mary Lammoman abt 1830 Marylebone Wife St Marylebone London Occupation fishmonger

In 1881 I have Joseph LAMMIMAN b c 1831 Marylebone living four doors away from another Joseph Lammiman b c 1861 Paddington. The elder is a fishmonger which matches some of my other Lammimans. I would appreciate their being found in any other censuses - especially with their parents!1 Thanks in advance Peter