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no they didnt marry again. if only it was that easy! carolexx

Did John and / or Mary marry again after 1837? If so their father's name should be shown on the later marriage certificate. I managed to define the correct Jane JONES by this method and cross checking with census and parish records. Still haven't sorted out MY Davies though, lol. Gwyn

poulton cum seacombe was wirral/wallasey area so it may well be the right mary. i just find it so difficult that its unable to be proven once you get before 1837. really its a case of finding out as much as you can and hoping youve got the right ones! thanx georgina carolexx

On the 1841 census the family are in Wallasey & where it says born in the same county Mary has got a Y for yes, this might be grasping at straws as in 1851 she gives her place of birth as Seacombe (sorry my geography isnt very good) but there is a birth for a Mary Davies in Wallasey.... Mary <Davies> Female Event(s): Birth: Christening: 24 MAR 1805 Wallasey, Cheshire, England Death: Burial: Parents: Father: John Davies Mother: Mary Georgina.

thanx georgina, im just going to find a corner in which to sit and wail!!!!! i know there comes a point when you cant go any further but it doesnt help, its still so frustrating. as the other side of my family research needs to be done in ireland im well and truly stuck up the proverbial creek. think ill go hit someone with my paddle lol thanx for taking the time to look for me, youve been very helpfil carolexx

Carole I think you have a mountain to climb finding Mary's birth, there are 33 Mary Davies born in Cheshire between 1805-1809 & those are only the ones that were listed I would bet there was many more not on the IGI. Georgina.

yes georgina, thats the right family. mary is c1806 there but on others shes c1809. the o6 must be the correct one then carolexx

Carole is this the family in 1841? Elizabeth Kay abt 1838 Cheshire, England Wallasey Cheshire (Cheshire) Isaac Kay abt 1835 Cheshire, England Wallasey Cheshire (Cheshire) John Kay abt 1804 Cheshire, England Wallasey Cheshire (Cheshire) John Kay abt 1827 Cheshire, England Wallasey Cheshire (Cheshire) Mary Kay abt 1806 Cheshire, England Wallasey Cheshire (Cheshire) Thomas Kay abt 1829 Cheshire, England Wallasey Cheshire (Cheshire) William Kay abt 1832 Cheshire, England Wallasey Cheshire Georgina.

no i havent even seen that entry! where did you find it? it could be the john im looking for. i thought maybe the ann davies as witness couldve been marys mother? im getting really confused now im past 1837! also im in herts and cannot easily get to records offices in liverpool/manchester etc.. thank you georgina carolexx

Carole marriage entries before 1837 dont usually contain parents names but I would have thought if Mary was under age then at least 1 of her parents would have needed to give permission for the marriage. Have you discounted this birth for John? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- JOHN KAY Male Event(s): Birth: 25 FEB 1802 Christening: 21 MAR 1802 Saint Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England Death: Burial: Parents: Father: JOHN KAY Mother: MARY Georgina.

its only circa 1809 but thats the year given on all census. i have elizabeths birth cert and its definately the right mothers name, fathers name and area. they seem to come from around liverpool/wallasay/wirrel/birkenhead. i thought she seemed young but just cant find another date of birth for her! btw she signed her mark x on cert so obviously couldnt read or right so i dont know if this makes a difference when they were recording ages? carolexx

Carole if Mary was born in 1809 & married in 1824 she would have only been 15? I know it's not impossible but are you sure of her birth? Georgina.

hi there, yes i do have children. have confirmed these through certs and census to make sure i have the right ones. they are as follows john kay c1827 thomas kay c1829 williamkay c1832 isaac kay c1836 elizabeth kay c1838 mary kay c1847 james kay c1849 john kay the father was a mariner/boatman and his sons all became canal/bargemen/fishermen. thanx carolexx

Do you have any children for them?

ok heres what i now have john kay c1804 mrried mary davies c1809 at st johns old haymarket liverpool 1824. witnesses were ann davies -maybe relation? and thomas owens. i need to find john kay baptism-to get his parents and mary davies baptism to find her parents. i found a marriage between john kay and alice aspden 4 sept 1802 at st bartholomews turton but am i right in thinking this area is too far for it to be johns parents? also wondering if witness ann davies couldve been sister or mother to mary??? got a headache from these brick walls again lol many thanx carolexx

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