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right im stuck .. john leach born sunderland 4/9/1828 married a jane lathan born c1827 at newcastle register office on 18/3/1851 i have a copy of the marriage cert . on the cert johns father is down as james leach profession glass maker. i have searched throught census and births but cant find any trace of him .. any ideas ??? christine

where was john in 1841? IgI but a year out - where did you get his birthdate from? John Leach Male Event(s): Birth: 04 SEP 1827 Christening: 30 SEP 1827 St Peters,Monk-Wearmouth, , Durham, England Parents: Father: James Leach Family Mother: Jane do you know his sibs names? ~same parents~ Martha Leach - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 27 SEP 1829 St Peters,Monk-Wearmouth, , Durham, England James Leach - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 08 MAY 1826 St Peters,Monk-Wearmouth, , Durham, England

Is it the info on John & Jane you wanted or Johns father James ? Found this 1851 John Leach Age: 23 Estimated birth year: abt 1828 Relation: Son-in-law Spouse's name: Jane Gender: Male Where born: Southwick, Durham, England Civil parish: Southwick Ecclesiastical parish: Southwick County/Island: Durham Country: England Household Members: Name Age Isaac Lathan 18 John Lathan 48 John Lathan 20 Margret Lathan 2 Jane Leach 24 John Leach 23 address William Street

This'll be him... 1841 Archibald Harper abt 1796 Durham, England Monkwearmouth Durham (Shipwright) >> (mother?) Jane Harper abt 1803 Durham, England Monkwearmouth Durham Eleanor Harper abt 1833 Durham, England Monkwearmouth Durham Hannah Harper abt 1835 Durham, England Monkwearmouth Durham Robert Harper abt 1837 Durham, England Monkwearmouth Durham Jane Harper abt 1839 Durham, England Monkwearmouth Durham Ann Harper abt 1841 Durham, England Monkwearmouth Durham James Leech abt 1826 Durham, England Monkwearmouth Durham (Shipwright Apprentice) John Leech abt 1828 Durham, England Monkwearmouth Durham (Shipwright Apprentice) Martha Leech abt 1830 Durham, England Monkwearmouth Durham Back William Street.

dont know where john was in 1841 which is why i havent been able to trace james...the earliest info i have for john is in 1851 living with janes family .

hi jess pieces of info were given to me by a relative a while back .. i do know that he john had a brother james so looks like yours might be the correct birth info

thanks guys for the finds so far for john and his family ... but still nothing on his father james

He must've died. There's nothing on the IGI, so you will have to look at the Parish records to find his burial and/or the marriage (if there was one)

tracy .. strange that its spelt ee dont suppose you could tell me what connection the harper s are from the census christine

1841 doesn't give relationships. Also, ages are usually rounded down to the nearest 5, after 15. (so 24 becomes 20, 36 becomes 35 etc) We can guess from the births, that all the Leach children are siblings. Spellings are irrelevant :) Remember that back then a lot of people couldn't read or write. I would guess (as I have indicated) that their mother Jane remarried.

Just a thought If James Leach died & Jane remarried could she be the Jane Harper in 1841 census with her new husband & their children, along with her children from first marriage ?

the puzzling bit is he isnt marked as dead on the marriage crt. and cant find his birth

Where have you been looking for the birth?

just on the free ancestry info

Civil registration doesn't start until 1837, so you won't find anything on there for any of them, probably not even James' death. You need Parish Records now, which are available from the local records office, or some are online at the IGI - www.familysearch.org (take those that do not say 'extracted from source' with a pinch of salt though!)

yeah janice i do think that that is jane in the 1841 c especially as i have her gt grandson on my tree called james harper leach miller born 1876 .