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Googled Carron Company - info all coming together, what a big jigsaw!

If you could do that it would be more than amazing! My further info on Charles Baird ...born on 20/12/1766 (died aged 77 in 1853) in Bothkenner, near Carron, Scotland, was the son of Nicol Baird, superintendent of the Forth and Clyde Great Canal. 1782 apprentice to Carron Company 1786 accompanied director to St petersburg Marries Sophia Morgan in 1794 Thanks Mhairi x

Would you like me to see if i can find the streets/houses, if they are still there, and get some pictures for you?

Ooh! I knew there was a possibility at some point of the name spelling changing (Handyside ----- Handysyde) was hoping it didn't though if I'm honest! That is another possibility though, thanks. Mhairi, I gather Great King Street in in central Edinburgh, whats it like? Is number 25 still there? Other known addresses 48 India Street and 30 Danube Street Sara :-)

You should definately visit Edinburgh, its a lovely city :) I'm sorry if i have caused you any more hassles, i know family history can be mysterous and troublesome most of the time without other people coming in and adding more to the pile. If you ever need any further help with the Scottish side then let me know, i'm a regular at both the main library and the records office. Mhairi

Thats worth looking into. I'll look up my other info about Charles Baird and who he went out to St P with .... I've got the bug now! Want to visit Edinburgh and St Petersburg!! I'm going to look for a very large piece of paper ... roll of lining paper ... it might go on for that long! Thanks for your thoughts and advice Mhairi.

I think you need to get a LARGE sheet of paper and work it all out, who married who and who's related to whom. To make things a little more complicated, or maybe this is just coincidence. The IGI has CHARLES OR GASCOIGNE BAIRD - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 13 JAN 1767 Bothkennar, Stirling, Scotland Son of Nicol Baird and Christian Pringle. The bit on Wikipedia has Charles born 1766 though all the entries on the IGI have been submitted so you'd have to double check them all. Now also on Wikipedia it has 'and in 1786 he accompanied a Carron Company manager, Charles Gascoigne, to Russia' Another relation? or just a coincidence? or am just looking to much into this? Mhairi

Well this is getting confusing! William Handyside born 1793 (son of Hugh Handyside and Margaret Baird) married Sophia Gordon Busch in 1829 at St petersburg, Russia, their son, also William Handyside marries his second cousin Isabella Armit Baird in 1855 in Edinburgh, her parents were Nicol John and Elizabeth Baird of Shersha (?) Make any sense?

In the website page it shows that Hugh's brother in law (well William's Uncle) was Charles Baird, son of Nicol Baird. Stronge possiblity that Nicol was also Margaret's father? 'He (Charles Baird) died on 10 December 1843 and is buried in the Smolensk Lutheran Cemetery.' Death records before 1855 are...poor. Mostly you wont even get the death date or name of the person. Mainly its just the payment for the 'mortcloth' or a burial record. Young children are usually 'Child of John Smith' adults are usually 'Widow Smith' or 'Mr/s Smith' there are no real details which are of use to anyone. Mhairi

Don't have her death cert! Know from info on her son and details I've extracted from wills and probate. Thats how I know addresses etc.

If you have her death cert, does it mention who her parents were?

Mhairi Thanks. My line is through William Handyside born 1793 (you can see more about him here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Handyside I hadn't thought about where they could be buried ... I wonder if they possibly have a family burial plot? This history has just amazed me! Never dreamt this is what I'd find when I started looking... From what I can make out from the 1841 census shes living at 59 York Place, age 76, independent means ... doesn't look like Hugh is there ... takes me back to before 1855 death?

Marriage is your best hope. Have you found them in the 1841 census? Are there any other relatives with them? Sometimes you find a elderly relative and it helps to work out family. I would think Handyside would be a relatively uncommon name so it might be easier to find his line than hers. If the family had a burial site that might help with working out parents but not everyone did or had a stone which may of had inscription on it. There are ways even if it means tracing other families down the years just to rule them out. Though you may never be 100% sure. Mhairi

Checked SP - no deaths after 1855 that match up with age. England a possibility? I'll have a look... Feeling is it was before 1855, so am I right in thinking the marriage record is my only hope of further info?

Mhairi Have posted on your thread for look up! Know Margaret died April 1850 because it was month before her son died at their Edinburgh home, I'm pretty sure was 48 India Street (I'll check my records). Don't know when father died though ...

As its already been said, all the Old Parish Records are different. I've seen some that include a fathers name and occupation, others that give witnesses or 'cautioners' while others give nothing at all. Have you looked for thier deaths? If after 1855 then you might get parents names. Mhairi

KIlsyth is 12 miles NE of Glasgow. Denis

Katherine I knew the names of siblings from details in a will, so I've checked on Scotlands people dates of birth and verification of who parents were. It's the parents marriage details I'm after and yes it states Kilsyth parish, which as all children born in Edinburgh, assume this is too. If I can find out names of their parents (other info would be a great bonus!) then I can go further back with my tree...

Hi It is the Kilsyth old Parish Register that you want to look at for both the marriage and the births. This is held in Edinburgh. You might be lucky and get the father's occupation and the address of the family. You might even get witnesses to the wedding, it just depends on how much information was written down....all the Registers are different Kay

Sara, Check carefully before planning a weekend away: I think they are only open Mon-Fri. Janice