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I am looking for the birth of Jack R Handyside. Problem is that I know from family that he was born John Raymond Baird Handyside - details on census unclear** Got marriage certificate today - 29/10/1913 to Ethel Brittan Father of groom William London Busch Handyside and occupation gentleman - yes ok! But gives grooms age as 27 - would make him born 1886 - this is year before parent's marriage - have I been looking in wrong place?! Checked Ancestry and Free bmd in every name variation I can think of! PLEASE HELP! **Jack R Handyside Age: 1/12 Estimated birth year: abt 1891 Relation: Son Father's name: William L B Mother's name: Alice E Gender: Male Where born: Datchet, Buckinghamshire, England Civil parish: St George Hanover Square Ecclesiastical parish: St Marks North Audley Street Town: London City County/Island: London Country: England Registration district: St George Hanover Square Sub-registration district: Mayfair ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Nellie Fisher 20 Martha Ford 25 Alice E Handyside 26 Jack R Handyside 1/12 William L B Handyside 31 W R B Handyside 2/12 Eleanor L Hope 21 Eleanora Warrell 52 Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 67; Folio 89; Page 13; GSU roll: 6095177.

So what is that census entry - is it the correct people in 1891? Giving him as what 1 month old? Who is the other kiddie shown as 2 months?

What was his name on the marriage cert?

Yes parents correct William London Busch Handyside Alice Eva Handyside Other child is W N B (William Norman Baird Handyside) but have his birth cert and is for 1888. Name on marriage cert is John Raymond Baird Handyside and father is as on census.

Just checked all quarters for 1891 No John or Jack Handyside

Looks like he was using a nickname?? These are the only births for that period for Handysides. Alan Baird looks like the best bet? I still cant understand how they had kids only one month apart???? I havent looked at the census but are you sure its right Handyside Alan Baird Brentford.3a 129 Birth 4 1892 2 Handyside James Joseph Camberwell.1d 764 Birth 4 1890 3 Handyside Jane Camberwell.1d 959 Birth 4 1884 4 Handyside Robert Patrick Camberwell.1d 783 Birth 3 1888 5 Handyside Ronald Elphinstone P Fulham.1a 214 Birth 1 1884

They could be in Scotland in 1901 I guess. Not sure where John would be.

Viewing the image for 1891, I would say the ages were 2 and a half and 1 and a half.

Thanks for that Keith, saved me worrying about it and even more, looking at it when I cant find me glasses.

This has had me stumped for ages! Got marriage cert as I can now defo link him to other family members but still doesn't seem to help in finding his birth.

Alan Baird would be a good bet because he was born in 1892 but alas another brother, the youngest and last one and my Great Grandfather!!!

Well, this top one has to be related surely?? Handyside Alan Baird Brentford.3a 129 Birth 4 1892 2 Handyside James Joseph Camberwell.1d 764 Birth 4 1890 3 Handyside Jane Camberwell.1d 959 Birth 4 1884 4 Handyside Robert Patrick Camberwell.1d 783 Birth 3 1888 5 Handyside Ronald Elphinstone P Fulham.1a 214 Birth 1 1884 Where was his place of birth - could he have been born scotland if you say they may be there in 1901? In which case he wont show on the GRO index.

Sarah, Do you kmow his mother's maiden name?

Think the census states place of birth as Datchet, Buckinghamshire? Mothers maiden name Macmichael born Hobart, Tasmania.

just had a thought, William London Busch Handyside is a widower on his marriage to Alice Eva Macmichael.(1887) 1881 census married(?) to Adelaide Handyside. Do you think Adelaide could be Jack's mother? died in childbirth perhaps? Or am I letting my imagination run riot?!!

Found William and Adelaide Isabella (Smith) marriage on SP - Glasgow 1878. Still doesn't fit in with or help find Jack / John's birth though!

Hi, I've changed my name! The age on John Raymond Baird Handyside's marriage cert is 27, that is in 1913, so would make him born in 1886??? Still can't find him .... have even tried Smith as maiden name of first wife and Raymond in case that was his real Dad ??? Its not making any sense .....