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Hi Please help! I am looking for ancestors of my Great Great Grandfather, William Bishop Elsdon. All I know about him is that he married a Mary Ann Sellars in Sheffield in 1887 (I am not sure where he was born). According to his Marriage Cert, his father was called Thomas (could be his middle name) who was a Joiner,. William Bishop Elsdon was 21 yrs old when he married, so was born c1866. He was living at Broad Street, Sheffield when he married. William and Mary had a son, John William Elsdon on 30th June 1888. The family lived at Matthew Street, Sheffield at that time. Please, any help at all in tracing Williams parents, would be most greatfully appreciated. Hoping to hear from someone soon! Warm regards Natalie Mason

Hi Natalie hopefully someone will come along to help you soon, but in the meantime, can I just rspectfully say that it isn't a very good idea to put your email address on here (even though GR won't let you do it properly!lol). Anyone who wants to contact you privately can easily message you on this site without needing your email address. Anyone - anyone at all - can read these boards, they do not have to be a member and your email address could attract unwelcome messages, as has happened to a few people already. Hope you don't mind me pointing this out, in the spirit of friendship! OC

Natalie, What was William's occupation? I he didn't use his middle name when he got married. Where do you have that from? There's this one: Household: Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability Emma ELSDON Wife (Head) M Female 47 Yaddlethorpe, Lincoln, England Dining Room Keepers Wife William ELSDON Son U Male 19 Sheffield, York, England Sailor George ELSDON Son U Male 14 Sheffield, York, England Scholar Fanny ELSOME Neice U Female 19 Messingham, Lincoln, England Domestic Serv Harry SURT Boarder U Male 36 Sheffield, York, England Plumber Gas Fitter Dwelling 33 Charles St Census Place Sheffield, York, England Family History Library Film 1342124 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 4650 / 28 Page Number 7 Rose

Thanks OC, I've deleted it!! Thank you Rose, William was a Drayman according to his marriage Cert, and the Birth Cert of his son John William. He used his middle name on the birth cert of his son, but not on his marriage cert. Strange! (unusual middle name isn't it?). Could the info you have given me be my William, given that his marriage cert has a father named as Thomas? Thanks Natalie

Hi Natalie THis looks like William and his family in 1871 Name: William Elsdon Age: 10 Estimated birth year: abt 1861 Relation: Son Father's name: Matthew Mother's name: Emma Gender: Male Where born: Sheffield, Yorkshire, England Civil parish: Sheffield Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul Town: Sheffield County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Registration district: Sheffield Sub-registration district: South Sheffield ED, institution, or vessel: 17 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 181 Household Members: Name Age Emma Elsdon 41 Matthew Elsdon 33 William Elsdon 10 Harriet Swallow 21 Thomas Walker 24 and in 1881 Name: William Elsdon Age: 19 Estimated birth year: abt 1862 Relation: Son Mother's name: Emma Gender: Male Where born: Sheffield, Yorkshire, England Civil parish: Sheffield County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street address: 33 Charles St Education: Employment status: View image Occupation: Sailor Registration district: Sheffield Sub-registration district: South Sheffield ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Emma Elsdon 47 George Elsdon 14 William Elsdon 19 Fanny Elsome 19 Harry Surt 36 and Emma and Matthew in 1861

Natalie, Where is the family in 1901? Rose

Hi Rose I presume they were still in Sheffield, as my Grandfather (John William Elsdon born to a father of the same name) was born in 1911 here in Sheffield. Apart from William Bishop Elsdon, born c1866, all descendants were born in Sheffield. I am not sure where William was born, and can not find the family anywhere, I have had so much trouble trying to find them! How can one family just 'disappear' from all relevant Census reports! It truly has me baffled, and I really do not know where else to look for information re these ancestors! Kindest regards Natalie

Natalie, I don't see them either. There are some other Elsdons born in the area and I can't find them. There's a Leonard who could be a brother. Rose

Natalie, I think I found them as Newberry in 1891 at 6 Westow Pl: Leonard Newberry Age: 3/12 Estimated birth year: abt 1891 Relation: Son Father's name: William Mother's name: Mary A Gender: Male Where born: Sheffield Civil parish: Brightside Bierlow Ecclesiastical parish: Pitsmore County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Registration district: Sheffield Sub-registration district: Brightside ED, institution, or vessel: 24 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age John W Newberry 2 Sheffield Leonard Newberry 3/12 Sheffield Mary A Newberry 24 Sheffield William Newberry 24 Newmarket, Suffolk William is a drayman Rose

In 1901: William's a boarder: Name: William Newberry Age: 35 Estimated birth year: abt 1866 Relation: Boarder Gender: Male Where born: Newmarket, Norfolk, England Civil parish: Brightside Bierlow Ecclesiastical parish: Neepsend St Michael and All Angels County/Island: Yorkshire Registration district: Sheffield Sub-registration district: West Brightside ED, institution, or vessel: 12 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 109 Household Members: Name Age Arthur Clarke 25 Ann Dickinson 48 Charles Dickinson 10 John Newberry 12 Leonard Newberry 10 William Newberry 35 Thomas Simpson 50 He's listed as married but I don't see Mary Ann. Charlotte is with her maternal grandparents: Name: Ellen Sellars Age: 61 Estimated birth year: abt 1840 Relation: Wife Spouse's name: John Gender: Female Where born: Sheffield, Yorkshire, England Civil parish: Sheffield Ecclesiastical parish: Sheffield Park St John County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Registration district: Sheffield Sub-registration district: Sheffield Park ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 143 Household Members: Name Age Charlotte Newbury 8 Beatrice Sellars 23 Blanche Sellars 1 month Ellen Sellars 61 Herbert Sellars 23 John Sellars 62 This corresponds to the birth of Charlotte Ellen Elsdon. There are no Newberry births in the area that fit. Rose

This must be his birth: Births Jun 1866 Elsden William Newmarket 3b 555 Rose

I think his mum married Thomas Newberry: Marriages Mar 1874 (100%) ELSDON Sarah Sheffield 9c 384 FRETWELL William James Sheffield 9c 384 Hoyland Ellen Sheffield 9c 384 NEWBERRY Thomas Sheffield 9c 384 Rose

Here he is in 1881: Household: Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability Thomas NEWBERRY Head M Male 30 Northampton, England Furniture Dealer Sarah NEWBERRY Wife M Female 29 Cowlins, Suffolk, England Lilly NEWBERRY Daur Female 6 Sheffield John T. NEWBERRY Son Male 3 Sheffield William NEWBERRY Son Male 14 Suffolk, England Porter Arthur NEWBERRY Son Male 1 Sheffield, York, England Source Information: Dwelling 15 Ellesmere Rd Census Place Brightside Bierlow, York, England Family History Library Film 1342127 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 4661 / 32 Page Number 57 Rose

Rose! You found them! How did you do it?! I have searched and searched, and never even saw a reference to Newbury. How strange that the children changed their names to Newbury, then when Willliam married, he was an Elsdon again. No wonder I couldn't find them! I can't thank you enough, honestly. If I can ever help you, please, just shout!! Thanks everyone, for all your help, I really, really appreciate it. Warmest regards Natalie xxx

Hi Natalie, I used FreeBMD to see Elsdon births in Sheffield and saw Leonard and Charlotte Ellen. I knew they had to be theirs too. So then I just searched for all Leanards born in Sheffield and saw Leonard Newberry had a brother and parents who matched. That was the key. Still can''t see Mary Ann in 1901 though or Sarah and William in 1871. Do you know if William remarried? Marriages Mar 1913 (>99%) Elsdon William B Smith Sheffield 9c 852 Smith Elizabeth Elsdon Sheffield 9c 852 Rose

This could be Mary Ann's death: Deaths Jun 1908 (>99%) NEWBERRY Mary Ann 50 York 9d 16 Rose

Thanks so much Rose! I do not know if William remarried, but I will check. There is onel iving relative who MAY remember, although he was sketchy the last time I asked him about his family. Bless him, he is going on 90, so I don't expect him to remember too much, although he enjoys hearing of any new news re his family tree! I am wondering, why did William marry as ELSDON, his birth name, yet him and his wife Mary took his step-fathers name of Newbury after that? I find it very confusing! Warm regards Natalie