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Alison If you would like me to look in parish records for any of these people, send a personal message direct to me with your request. Sellindge is on the A20 between Folkestone and Ashford. Gwyn

Found this Charles with his father in 1901. Don't know if it is any help but his father was a shepherd. Charles Croucher Age: 10 Estimated birth year: abt 1891 Relation: Son Father's name: Charles Gender: Male Where born: Otterden, Kent, England Civil parish: Hollingbourn Ecclesiastical parish: Hollingbourn Town: Hollingbourn County/Island: Kent Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Education: Employment status: View image Registration district: Hollingbourn Sub-registration district: Hollingbourn ED, institution, or vessel: 1 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 164 Household Members: Name Age Charles Croucher 34 Charles Croucher 10 Edith Croucher 13 Frank Croucher 7 Rhoda Croucher 9 Ellen Foord 28

Elsie' Dad Peter aged 11 in 1851. Peter' siblings and parents Edward and Ann. 1851 England Census Name: Peter Clout Age: 11 Estimated birth year: abt 1840 Relation: Son Father's name: Edward Mother's name: Ann Gender: Male Where born: Folkestone, Kent, England Civil parish: Folkestone County/Island: Kent Country: England Registration district: Elham Sub-registration district: Folkestone ED, institution, or vessel: 2a Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 67 Household Members: Name Age Edward Clout 42 Head Where born: Dover St Marys, Kent, England Ann Clout 46. Wife. Where born: Folkestone, Kent, England Mary A Clout 18 Grace Clout 12 Harriett Clout 17 Mary Clout 15 Grace Clout 12 Peter Clout 11 << Ann Clout 9 Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1633; Folio: 30; Page: 19; GSU roll: 193536. Babz :-)

Found Elsie in 1901 aged 9 with older brother and parents. Name: Elice D Clout Age: 9 Estimated birth year: abt 1892 Relation: Daughter Father's name: Peter Mother's name: Sarah A Gender: Female Where born: Newington, Kent, England Civil parish: Folkestone Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael and All Angels Town: Folkestone County/Island: Kent Country: England Registration district: Elham Sub-registration district: Folkestone ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 263 Household Members: Name Age Peter Clout 61 Head. Where born: Folkestone, Kent, England Sarah A Clout 52 Wife. Where born: Folkestone, Kent, England Percy Clout 22 Son Elice D Clout 9 ..... this is the family in 1881!!!! Household Members: Name Age Peter Clout 41 Sarah A. Clout 32 Walter Clout 14 Frederick Clout 12 Sarah A. Clout 9 Amy Clout 6 Lilian Clout 5 Florence Clout 4 Percy Clout 2 Maud Clout Frank Andrews 24 Servant Arthur Godden 15 Servant Civil parish: Folkestone County/Island: Kent Country: England Registration district: Elham Sub-registration district: Folkestone ED, institution, or vessel: 11 Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 1011; Folio: 9; Page: 7; Line: ; GSU roll: 1341240. Saved the 1901 image, if you would like it? please send me your email address Alison. Babz

Elsie's birth: Births Mar 1892 CLOUT Elsie Olive Elham 2a 997 Rose

Here's Lewis/Louis' death: Name: Lewis Frederick Croucher Birth Date: 7 Nov 1920 Death Registration Month/Year: Apr 1991 Age at death (estimated): 70 Registration district: Ashford Inferred County: Kent Volume: 16 Page: 91 Rose

Thanks thats been a great help.

Got the blighters so you can apply for their marriage certificate as well. This will give you both of their Fathers. Charles Croucher married Elsie Clout Dec Qr 1913. Ref Bridge 2a 1983. Elsie's middle initial is either C, O or G so it could well be Olive, but you won't need that to apply.

You can apply online at this website http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/ You may need to allow up to a week to get it.

Louis was the third child so its quite possible they were married a few years earlier. Thanks for your help and advice. Can you apply for birth certificates over the internet? Regards Alison

I have looked back to 1915 and can't find the marriage of a Croucher to a Clout. I did find this: Charles W Croucher married Lillian I Epps at East Ashford March Qr 1920 Ref 2a 1755 It is always possible that the Transcriber has got something wrong so, as I said earlier, apply for Grandad's birth cert and then come back to us. Also, does Mum know which of her Uncles and Aunts was the oldest and about when were they born? That will give me a better clue where to look for the marriage.

BINGO!!!!! Mum recognises the name Clout and Louis is the correct spelling so you found the correct birth record!! Can you see any more detail? Thanks kindly Alison

Thanks Grampa Jim. she definately knew his bithday was November so perhaps we are a year or two out then. He died 31/1/1991 near Ashford. That date is definately right because i remember being in my first year of uni when i was told. Mum said aged 70 so i think my maths were wrong rather than Mum's memory. That would make it 1920??? Sorry. My mistake Alison

There is no Lewis Croucher listed in the BMD Index for 1921 or 1st Qr 1922. There is a Louis F Croucher, Mother's maiden name Clout, registered in the Dec Qr of 1920. The reference is East Ashford 2a 1746. I think you are going to have to search for his true birth date and apply for the Birth Certificate for your Grandfather. This should cost you no more than £7.00 and will give you the names of his father and mother. Can't blame Mum, nor her memory, she wasn't at her dad's birth so can't be absolutely certain. After all, until my eldest D had her 1st I claimed to be 29 and a bit, then when Bronte was born my admitted age shot up to 33 and a bit to keep it legal. So what my grandchildren think about that is anybody's guess. Although to be truthful the bit is now just as big as the 33! Lol

Gwyn - Maggie across the pond did a search that vanished off the screen but she did find some crouchers in Hollingbourn but i think thats near Maidstone so it seemed a bit far away for a Shepherd to travel to work. I have just spoken to mum again. The name was definately Charles and she thinks its Edward. He married someone called Elsie Olive (no maiden name). Their children were born in St Mary's but she isn't sure how long they lived there. Mum thinks her gran might have been Irish originally. She thinks Charles died after 1962 but before 1967 poss at Sellindge? Charring crem is where his ashes are. Elsie died in the early 70's. Mum knows how to get there but not the name of the place. Burried going out of Ashford on the canterbury to faversham rd. Cemetry just over the bypass near a garden centre. Grandad did have a cousin so there must be brothers ans sisters too, Both grandparents are a mystery but we dont even have a maiden name for her. thats about all we know, Thanks for any help. would be lovely to find some relatives. Alison

Thank you for your replies. I was up rather late last night on here, so sorry for not getting back sooner. The person we are looking for is my great grandfather. He had 6 children Ralph, len, Lewis (my grandfather), Grace, Hilda and Joyce. Only Hilda is living but i am not in contact with her - although i could try to find out more via Mum. My grandfather was called Lewis Frederick Croucher B 7/11/1921- Died 1991 near Ashford. He had 3 daughters one of which was my Mum. I have found lots and lot of history on my grandmothers side just by meeting people on here so was very lucky but my Mum didn't know her grandparents on the croucher side, she wasn't definite about his name (sorry). It's possible that his wife had the name Olive in it, this was passed down to Mum. Lewis was born at St Mary's in the Marsh according to my Mum, and i understood his parents lived there for a long time and that his father was a Shepherd on Romney Marsh. Everything is based on what i have been told. The only exact dates i have are for Lewis Frederick Croucher. I went to Kent in the summer, but never got to Romney Marsh and now i am very intrigued to know more about it, knowing thats where the other of my Mum's family lived. I visited around Ringwould where Mum was born. She showed me around but we only had one day. I live up in Chester so its hard to get back down. My Dad's side were from Aldington if you know Kent. It's so kind of you to help. Thankyou for any information.

Alison Would it help you if we worked backwards to this chap, the shepherd.? Where do you have his name recorded, ..Is he shown as someone's father on a marriage cert perhaps.....or is he recalled from personal memories. I think the chap born Rye in Carol's list probably died as an infant. Some of the others could be possibles, though. Where did you get the name of the village of St Mary in the Marsh. ? Did your mother visit there? I was crossing Romney Marsh yesterday. ....still lots of sheep there. Gwyn

Any idea what year he was born, also do you think he was born Romney Marsh or could it be some other part of kent. Do you think any of these births! Record Charles Edward Croucher 1870 Jan-Feb-Mar St Olave Southwark (1837-1901) London, Surrey View Record Charles Edward Croucher 1882 Jan-Feb-Mar Rye Kent, Sussex View Record Charles Edward F Croucher 1907 Jul-Aug-Sep Strood (1885-1923) Kent View Record Edward Charles Croucher 1894 Jul-Aug-Sep West Ashford Kent View Record Edward Charles Croucher 1908 Jan-Feb-Mar Elham Kent

Hello Alison These two came up in the search I did... will have another look at 1901 census in a mo'... - England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index: 1837-1983 (1) Name: Charles Edward Croucher Year of Registration: 1882 Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar District: Rye County: Kent, Sussex Volume: 2b Page: 5 (2) Name: Charles Edward F Croucher Year of Registration: 1907 Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep District: Strood (1885-1923) County: Kent Volume: 2a Page: 715 Babz

Hi Can anyone help me please? I want to look up the name Croucher who lived in St Mary in the Marsh, Romney Marsh, Kent. Presumably the census is the quickest route as the family name and place is all i know? (sorry i have only just started and i'm trying to find my way around the records). Possibly a Charles Edward Croucher (great grandfather). I believe he was a shepherd on Romney Marsh! Any Crouchers in this locality would be useful. Thanks Alison x