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Thanks Mags & Nicky, I guess the only way to find out if they were related is to ask someone to look at the records office - do you know how far back you can generally go?

These are all the Tulips in 1851 which are born between 1760 & 1800 Eleanor Tulip Isabella abt 1800 Ovington, Northumberland, England Daughter Ovington Northumberland Friend Tulip Elisabeth abt 1782 Ovingham, Nottinghamshire, England Head Willington Northumberland William Tulip Margaret abt 1797 Ovingham, Northumberland, England Head Mickley Northumberland and same criteria in 1841 Elizabeth Tulip abt 1781 Northumberland, England Ovingham Elizabeth Tulip abt 1791 Northumberland, England Ovingham Isabella Tulip abt 1776 Ovington Jane Tulip abt 1781 Northumberland, England Ovingham Robert Tulip abt 1789 Northumberland, England Ovingham

2 other Friend Tulips in 61 Friend Tulip Matthew, Ann abt 1846 Kibblesworth, Durham, England Son Heworth Friend L Tulip Robert, Isabella abt 1855 Felling Shore, Durham, England Son Heworth

updated census above with birthplaces, but Francis is just down as a lodger. I'll see if I can find him in other census.

1841, but this doesn't give you relationships Hannah Lockey abt 1831 Northumberland, England Tynemouth Elizbth Tulip abt 1789 Northumberland, England Tynemouth Frund Tulip abt 1785 Northumberland, England Tynemouth possibly Hannah in 51 but she may have married so not be listed with this surname. Hannah Lockey abt 1831 Northd, Wallsend Daughter Chirton Northumberland Joseph Lockey Ryton, Durham, England Head

Here's your marriage, but again this is submitted so you can't guarantee it's accuracy. WILLIAM TULIP Male Family Marriages: Spouse: MARGARET BOWES Family Marriage: 03 JUL 1802 Newburn, Northumberland, England

No, I haven't - only came up with the idea tonight that they might be related so haven't researched Friend apart from IGI, unfortunately don't have access to Ancestry. Who is the Frances Robson living with them?

1851 census, have you got this already? 1851 England Census about Friend Tulip Name: Friend Tulip Age: 69 Estimated birth year: abt 1782 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Elisabeth Gender: Male Where born: Ovingham, Nottinghamshire, England Civil parish: Willington County/Island: Northumberland Country: England Registration district: Tynemouth Sub-registration district: Wallsend ED, institution, or vessel: 2b Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 86 Household Members: Name Age Hannah Elcak 19 Francis Robson 27 Elisabeth Tulip 60 Friend Tulip 69 ****UPDATED***** For birthplaces Francis Robson abt 1824 Northumberland, England Lodger Willington Northumberland Elisabeth Tulip abt 1791 Ponteland, Nottinghamshire, England Wife Friend Tulip abt 1782 Ovingham, Nottinghamshire, England Head Hannah Elcak abt 1832 Northd, No Shields Granddaughter

No that's not my William - too young! He married in 1802.

Well, this is probably a generation before yours, but it's a submitted record anyway, and that's as accurate as a chocolate fireguard in some cases!! It's just like you or I submitting a record we think is right, but not necessarily done all the cross checking!

ooh err! My William married Margaret Bones, so don't know what that is all about!

Another one WILLIAM TULIP Male Event(s): Birth: Christening: 25 DEC 1796 Ovingham, Northumberland, England Death: Burial: Parents: Father: ROBERT TULIP Family Mother: ISABEL ELTRINGHAM From same batch with same parents 1. JAMES TULIP - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 24 MAR 1805 Ovingham, Northumberland, England 2. JOSEPH TULIP - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 20 SEP 1807 Ovingham, Northumberland, England 3. ELEANOR TULIP - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 05 MAY 1799 Ovingham, Northumberland, England 4. WILLIAM TULIP - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 25 DEC 1796 Ovingham, Northumberland, England 5. JOHN TULIP - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 27 JUN 1802 Ovingham, Northumberland, England 6. STEPHEN TULIP - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 25 DEC 1809 Ovingham, Northumberland, England 7. ROBERT TULIP - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 07 DEC 1794 Ovingham, Northumberland, England

chocolate fireguard - now there's a novel idea!

another one, but not your names! WILLIAM TULIP Male Family Marriages: Spouse: ANN ELTRINGHAM Family Marriage: 18 AUG 1798 Ovingham, Northumberland, England THESE ARE ALL FRIEND TULIPS ON IGI 1. Friend Tulip - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 14 APR 1782 Ovingham, Northumberland, England 2. FRIEND TULIP - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Marriage: 20 DEC 1806 Ponteland, Northumberland, England 3. FRIEND TULIP - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 05 JUL 1818 Tynemouth, Northumberland, England 4. FRIEND TULIP - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 07 FEB 1844 Tynemouth, Northumberland, England 5. FRIEND TULIP - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 25 NOV 1845 St Hildas, South Shields, Durham, England 6. Friend Septimus Tulip - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Birth: 1857 Felling Shore, Heworth, Durham, England 7. Friend Septimus Tulip - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Marriage: 23 MAR 1878 Newcastle Upon Tyne, Northumberland, England 8. Friend Septimus Tulip - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Marriage: 23 MAR 1878 Newcastle Upon Tyne, Northumberland, England

Only IGI record I can see so far Friend Tulip Male Family Event(s): Christening: 14 APR 1782 Ovingham, Northumberland, England Death: Burial: Marriages: Spouse: Elizabeth Robson Family Marriage: < 1822> <Percy Main, North Shields, Northumberland, England>

Hmm! Interesting another submitted record with same wife!!! WILLIAM TULIP Male Family Event(s): Birth: Christening: Death: Burial: Marriages: Spouse: ELIZABETH ROBSON Family Marriage: 10 SEP 1764 Ovingham, Northumberland, England

I have William Tulip born c1776 in Ovingham, Northumberland and Friend Tulip born c1782 in Ovingham. As the name Friend appears a number of times in William's descendants, I feel sure they must be related. Can anyone help me prove this? I believe William's father to have been Samuel but do not know when he was born. Any help much appreciated. Joanna