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Looking for my husbands grandfathers birth cert.Been told by husbands aunt he was not registered.Surley in 1902 they could not get away with that.He was named Richard Frank Badcock.Not sure if he was born Lambeth the same as his 2 older brothers or West Ham where he was when he got married.I have not found him and now wonder if he was registered under another name.Another brick wall.AQny help would be appreciaed.Thank you Annie

Were his parents definatley married when he was born? It may be worth looking under his mothers maiden name just in case. Are you certain of his year of birth? Perhaps widen your search a few years either side. Sam x

Yes parents were married. Annie

Hi Annie, My mother was born in 1906 and her birth wasn't registered - illiegal but it happened. Apparently her father was away at the time and her mother was quite ill after the birth and her illiterate (sp?) grandmother didn't bother to register her.

Just an idea - he may have been registered round about the age of 65 - he would have had to produce a BC in order to get his state pension (or any other pension, come to that). OC

Had a quick look from 1965 to 1967 and cannot see him there? Though OC's suggestion sounded good, but did he die before his retirement age? I know my Grandfather got a shock when he went to get his birth certificate to draw his pension, as he was called something entirely different to name he grew up with and married with. Janice

He died in 1969.He was still working but not sure if it was just part time.Will have to find out.Very interesting having to have a birth cert to get pension.Never knew this. Annie

Grannie Annie Sorry if I have misled you. You DO have to produce a BC to get your State Pension, but if you cannot produce one, you have to swear a declaration that you believe yourself to have been born in such and such a year, and produce evidence of work records etc. The Department of Pensions MAY be able to help you with this, but I am not sure how much they will reveal to you - worth a try, though. Of course, that won't help you find his birth reg..... Going by other people's experiences on here, usually if you cannot find a birth reg, it turns out they were reg in a different year/place/name. But you have family evidence to tell you he was never registered. Thinks: The person who told you this - would they have any reason to be covering something up? OC

Can you list his siblings and parent's names? Rose

Rose,His Father was Frederick and mother Emma nee Reeves.Two older brothers Frederick and Herbert,1900 and 1901.Know that he had a younger brother William and a sister cissy and a younger brother again James.Story has it Richard was a twin and the twin was reg and not him.When twin died aged about 3 the dad then reg Richard.Find it hard to believe as i cant find either of the twins. Annie

Can see Frederick's birth but not Herberts. Do you have that? There's a Frank Herbert born Camberwell. 1901: Name: Frederick G Badcock Age: 26 Estimated birth year: abt 1875 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Emma M C Gender: Male Where born: Bishops Nympton, Devon, England Civil parish: Lambeth Ecclesiastical parish: St Anne South Lambeth County/Island: London Country: England Registration district: Lambeth Sub-registration district: Kennington First ED, institution, or vessel: 16 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 94 Household Members: Name Age Emma M C Badcock 22 Frederick G Badcock 26 Frederick G Badcock 1 Herbert R Badcock 1 month Rose

nudge. Rose

I,m having the same problem with a bith in 1912 so how do you trace the parents of that person?? I,m new at this

Sharleen Get the person's marriage cert - this will have the name of their father on it, which should take you back to the 1901 census. If the person didnt marry, and you don't have any other clues, then I am sorry, but it is just a question of sending for ALL likely birth certs - expensive, and how will you know you have the right one? If the person born in 1912 has younger siblings, then find their birth registrations - registrations after 1911 give mother's maiden name, and you may be able to narrow down your options, if you know for example, your Fred Bloggs had a sister Daisy and two brothers, Frank and Ernest - all found with same mother's maiden name. Good luck. OC

This would be his death: Deaths, Oct-Nov-Dec 1969 Badcock, Richard Frank, 17-May-1902, Hackney, 5b 1479 If the birthdate given at death was correct, then you would expect to find his birth in the June or September quarters of 1902. He's not listed as you know, but interestingly, there is this birth registration: Births, Jul-Aug-Sep 1902 Badcock, Norman Newland, Lambeth, 1d 510 ... right time, right place - but different given names. Could this be the twin (though there is no death registration for a Norman Badcock 1902-1910), or could it in fact be your Richard Frank who for some reason changed his name later in life? Might be worth applying for this cert, using the parents names as checking points. Richard's death cert might also be worth getting, as by 1969 these give place of birth. This info is only as good as the informant's knowledge, of course - but might just give you an unexpected clue. It would also be worthwhile searching the Lambeth parish registers to see if you can find a baptism for Richard or any of his siblings. If he wasn't registered, then a baptism entry would be your next best thing. This might also confirm/deny whether he was a twin or not (unlikely that only one twin would have been baptised, unless one had died prior to the baptism of course). Failing all that, you may just have to wait a couple of years until the 1911 census becomes available, and hope that it reveals more clues. It should tell you how many children were born to the mother, and how many were still alive in 1911, so that will be very useful info in this case. Cheers, Richard

Richard,Thank you very much for that.I was wondering if he was reg under a different name.My nan was so that was very hard to find.We do have his death cert,but never ever thought of getting it off hubby.Will look later today now.Thanks again Annie