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Thats fine Julie i will knock this wall down one day lol Rosex

Rose That's a shame. i didn't mention husbands name cos you hadn't. Julie

Sorry Julie i get you now lol Yes do know all that has the hubby in tree im the one who gave them the information , and sadly they dont hae any information about the catlin side Rosex

Julie im a little lost lol whos husband? Rosex

Rose Don't know if you know there are 3 people on this site that has Ethels husband in the tree and 2 of them have Ethel. Have you been in touch with them they might be able to help Julie

You need to be open minded about this, family information can be faulty, I had a relation who insisted his father was born in the same house as my grandmother, his sister in Dovercourt, Essex. I had his birth certificate which showed he was born in Ipswich, Suffolk, every census confirmed this and there was no doubt it was the same person. Jennifer

on the marrige cert 1917 fulham says shes 19 the witnesses are alec kennedy and flossie chainey Rosex

Yes Jennifer it is annie but my mum says she never remebers anything about her mother coming hertfordshire she says thats not them? Rosex

Any clues re. the names of the witnesses at the marriage? Gwyn

Scarlet , thats the ones i have been following and researching for the past year , but now im not sure that it is the right ones Rosex

You do not say what her mother's name is on the birth certificate, if it is Annie as in the Census entries you have found, then try this marriage to Annie PERRY. Name: William Catlin Year of Registration: 1887 Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar District: Ware County: Hertfordshire Volume: 3a Page: 367 Jennifer

Kath i do not think he was a step dad ,(but not 100% sure) my mum remebers they used to call him sweet william? But looking on te census on the lambeth one there are alot of names there that could make it her , ifthat makes sense ? Rosex

can you supply the ref for the 1901 census please. This it? Name: Ethel Maud Cathie Age: 3 Estimated birth year: abt 1898 Relation: Daughter Father's name: William Mother's name: Annie Gender: Female Where born: Wareside, Hertfordshire, England Civil parish: Widford Ecclesiastical parish: Widford Town: Widford County/Island: Hertfordshire Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Education: Employment status: View image Registration district: Ware Sub-registration district: Stanstead ED, institution, or vessel: 7 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 38 Household Members: Name Age Annie Cathie 37 Annie Cathie 13 Emily Cathie 14 Ethel Maud Cathie 3 Mary Ann Cathie 6 Thomas Cathie 8 William Cathie 41

Perhaps the name she gave for her father on her marriage certificate was a step-father (have seen this happen before, if the mother got married again when the child was small, just assumed that the step-father was actually father). Kath. x

Thanks for that Kath i have seen those before, but when i look on the census her dad is not william ? Rosex

There are these two births at about the right time (in London):- Name: Ethel Catlin Year of Registration: 1898 Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec District: Greenwich County: Greater London, Kent, London, Surrey Volume: 1d Page: 1033 and Name: Ethel Catlin Year of Registration: 1900 Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar District: Lambeth County: Greater London, London, Surrey Volume: 1d Page: 443 Her age could be out by a couple of years on her marriage certificate (sometimes people lied, especially if they wanted to marry before they were 21 and didn't have parent's consent). Kath. x

yes Gwyn just ays labourer Rosex

Does William's occupation match on the various records? Gwyn

i have a ethel catlin born 1898 on her marrige cert she was living in fulham and her dads name is william my mum said she was sure they come from essex , but the only birth i can find for ethel maude catlin is in Ware hertfordshire. so i ordered the cert and its says her dad was william , but i just cant seem to move on , i have found them on 1901 census mistranscribed as cathie and 0n the 1891 as cattin , but i cant seem to go back any more and im sure this isnt the right ones i am looking for ? can anyone advise me thanks Rosex