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Hello. Would anyone kindly be able to look up a birth for me on Scotlandspeople for John Moore born 1880 in Glasgow? I am sure his parents are John and Martha Moore both born in England. Many thanks in advance, Claire

Can't help with the birth, but looked on censuses.........no result for the combination of names and dates in either 1881 or 1891 for Scotland. Reg

Hi Reg, From what I have been told, John the dad died in Glasgow in late 1881 and Martha came back to England with the two children, Alfred and John. She is on the 91 census in Sheffield with new husband Joel Hampson and a child of his from a previous marriage and her two children. Its this census that says that John junior was born in Glasgow. Regards Claire

That makes a difference..........in fact the father must have died before 1881 census......... Name: John Moore Age: 11 Mo Estimated birth year: abt 1880 Relationship: Son Mother's name: Martha Gender: Male Where born: Glasgow, Lanarkshire Registration Number: 644/6 Registration district: St Rollox Civil parish: Glasgow Springburn County: Lanarkshire Address: 10 Colgrain Terrace ED: 85 Page: 5 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 19 Line: 17 Roll: cssct1881_229b Household Members: Name Age Alford Moore 3 John Moore 11 Mo Martha Moore 31 b. England Both boys b. Glasgow, although according to 1891, Alfred was b. Sheffield If this is his birth, the cert will confirm the father's name Name: Alfred Moore Year of Registration: 1878 Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun District: Sheffield County: South Yorkshire, Yorkshire - West Riding Volume: 9c Page: 536 Reg

ScotlandsPeople is expensive. £6 gets you 30 credits but you need 1 or more to view search results and a further 5 to view an image. That is 6 or more units to find one record. BUT on the plus side that is only £1.20 per cert compared to £7 for the English ones Maureen

Hi Reg, Yes, that my Martha and family. Alfred was actually born in Sheffield because I have the birth certificate. Hi Maureen, Does Scotlandspeople actually have the certificate on there? I thought it was an index like ancestry? My apologies that I have never used the site before so I wasnt aware that it was different to ancestry. Regards Claire

1880 MOORE JOHN M OLD MONKLAND (EASTERN DISTRICT) /LANARK 652/03 0132 VIEW (5) 1880 MOORE JOHN M ST ROLLOX GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 644/06 0667 1880 MOORE JOHN M ST ROLLOX GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 644/06 0749 VIEW 11 1880 MOORE JOHN M MILTON GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 644/08 1233

Well, if you have Alfred's birth cert, you have all the info you need now........... Reg

Scotlands People is very expensive if you have a common name - and you can't search by place of birth, which would make life a lot easier. It is my biggest bugbear - it has taken me three years to piece together my family - and all because it was so hard to search for people when you had no idea where they were from or where they might be living. The Ancestry 1901 census index helped me find my great-grandparents and grandmother today - their surname Johnston was spelt as Johnstone and they had moved to Glasgow from Dumfries - I search for Robert Johnston born Fetteresso 1862 and it came up on Ancestry - I couldn't find him on Scotlands People.

Not used ScotlandsPeople for a couple of months. Statutory Registers Births 1855 - 1906 Marriages 1855 - 1931 Deaths 1855 - 1956 All the statutory registers can be viewed online and downloaded once you have bought the units. You do have to be a bit careful on the searches. Maureen

Donegal Girl has found 4 possibles. Either of the two in Rollox could be possible given where the family where in 1881 Maureen

Hi all, Many thanks for your replies and thank you donogirl for finding the 4 possibles. It looks like i will have to wait til i get paid again so i can view the 4 to see which one is mine. Reg, I wanted to prove my ancestors went to Scotland and also find out the birth info for John as he is my Alfred's brother. Thanks for the info regarding scotlands people, at least i know a little more about it now. Certainly doesnt sound easy to use and quite expensive. Kindest regards for all your help. Claire

I thought the 1881 census proved they were there................. Reg

Compaired to ordering English certs i have to say that Scotlands people is good value for money and i dont see why people keep saying it isnt. Its £6 for 30 credits, if you use them right then you can do 5 searches and view five certs. Compair that to £7 for ONE cert from the GRO. With a family who are a magority Scots it has proven to be a valuable resorce and for the number of certs i've been able to download from there i hate to even think about the cost if they had been from south of the border. I have some of the most common names in Scotland in my tree including two separate branches of Robertson's, Ross's, Dean's and Dickson's not to mention McGregors, Johnston's, Cunningham's, Hamiltom's ect AND i still wouldnt swap SP for anything like the english system of indexs. True it is sometimes difficult to search for John Robertson's and Isabella McDonalds and you can waste some credits but the feeling of finally finding the cert you wont and being able to view the information immediately instead of having to wait for it to be posted to you, i think is a big plus. Sorry for hijacking the thread but sometimes you just have to put your opinions across Mhairi

Mhairi, Some people do think it is expensive because of the number of units you can use on the searches alone but with experience of how to use the search facility then it does get cheaper. I have a Scottish mother but an English father so needed to use both ScotlandsPeople and Ancestry for my tree. The census on ScotlandsPeople did prove costly. Wish Ancestry had the scottish census earlier would have saved me a fortune last year - approx £570 spent on ScotlandsPeople alone - but do have 10 files full of certs and census images. Maureen

Hey Maureen I totally agree with you on the census front but even with the transcription on ancestry i still cant find my Hamilton's in the 1901. It just seems to me that people rush onto Scotlandspeople, buy a load of credits, waste a lot and get very little in return, never venture on the site again and then slag it off. If they'd only take a wee bit of time i'm sure they'd find it really usefull. I actually believe that Scotlandspeople is better than the Records Office in Edinburgh as there you cant do a search by area (for bmd's) and have to spend time going through the whole page if you dont know the area. Anywho i think people should give SP a try no matter what others say and if they have a problem or dont know how to get the best out of their searches then ask, we dont bite... :) Mhairi

Hi Mhari, I am sure all you say is correct, I will certainly give it a go and have just registered on the site. I cannot buy my credits though til next week when I get paid again but at least I know now that I can try and get the birth cert for John and maybe a death cert for his father (if they do death certs). This is my first venture into Scottish records so was not sure what it was like. Regards Claire

I hope you dont think i was having a go Clair, i just think people are a bit hasty in their judgement. Especially if they cant find what they want the first time round. SP is a great resource but i understand that it can be fiddly, the info is instant though and you dont have to wait. You will be able to get his death. It might be a good idea to get that first and see where his death was registered, it may help to narrow down which of the four births are yours. Mhairi

I think that Scotlands People has a lot of pluses - obviously ONCE you have found your family//person you can see the entry immediately. The biggest problem is finding someone when you have very little information. The search facility isn't very sophisticated, which means that you have to trawl through lots of hits and waste a lot of money (which I have done). I'm not saying I'm against ScotlandsPeople - it is just different. I have been very lucky to find lots of great information. However, all I am saying is that the search facility needs to be improved, at least to allow searching for a person by specifying the place of birth. It's fine for those of you who already have lots of information, but I literally had the name of my grandmother and her birth year and it was very difficult to make a start. I wasted lots of units viewing lots of entries of no relevance, which would not happen on Ancestry, where I can search for a flat fee to my heart's content. People do make valid points with their criticisms - please do not dismiss us, because we also appreciate the plus points such as instant access to birth record or marriage record.