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St Silas registers are probably at Lancs County Record Office - if so, you can either email then and ask for a copy of the marriage entry - this will cost next to nothing. OR - you could ask someone to look it up for you (on Records Board) and that would cost you nothing at all. Buit as Reggie says, a birth cert for one of the children will have her maiden name on it, and you really ought to get that first, just in case I AM wrong! (In which case, I shall give up family history for ever and take up basket weaving) OC

Ursula's death.......... consistent with birth year recorded in 1871............ Name: Ursula McGinn Estimated birth year: abt 1831 Year of Registration: 1903 Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar Age at Death: 72 DISTRICT: Liverpool (1837-1924) County: Lancashire Volume: 8b Page: 6 Reg

I'm not sure why the poster seems to want to complicate the issue..........buying the birth cert of any of the offspring will tell him MMN. That would no doubt only serve to confirm OC's finding.............. Reg

Joe, I bet you a gold clock that the marriage I quoted is the marriage of your John and Ursula! If it isnt, I'll send you a cheque for £7, as well as a gold clock. No one is suggesting that he remarried, just that her name has been wildly mistranscribed by transcribers unfamiliar with the name Ursula, probably compounded by a strong accent when giving the name to a clerk or enumerator. I have an ancestor named John - who doesn't - and believe it or not I found him transcribed as IOLO. If they can get a simple name like John completely wrong, then they can do anything with a name like Ursula! OC

Joe, Many many men remarried, often very soon after the first wife died. They needed help to raise the children! For various reasons, women were often not put off by the job of taking on children and then having more of their own. Life as a single woman was often very difficult, having a husband gave you a certain standing in the community, and also of course security. Sylvia (in Canada)

I have seen Ursula transcribed in four ways:- ORSBY, OSLEY , Usala and Ursula I believe all for the same person, same year of birth and that a19th Cent. Irish Catholic man with a load of children would not be changing wives in mid stream, In the 19th Cent where wives were treated almost as slaves, why would any woman want to step into such a situation? Joe

????? 1851 Name: Hensley Daly Age: 24 Estimated birth year: abt 1827 Relation: Daughter Father's name: James Gender: Female Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England Civil parish: Kirkdale County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Registration district: West Derby Sub-registration district: Everton ED, institution, or vessel: 2a Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 13 Household Members: Name Age Hensley Daly 24 << James Daly 54 James Daly 6 Mary Daly 12 Maria Shields 16 ---------------------------------- look who lives next door.. Name: John McGinn Age: 21 Estimated birth year: abt 1830 Relation: Lodger Gender: Male Where born: Ireland Civil parish: Kirkdale County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Registration district: West Derby Sub-registration district: Everton

What do you think, Joe? OC

This jumped off the page at me: Marriage John Magin to Horsley Daly - 1851 Liverpool St Silas. Obviously a mistranscription (or misunderstanding!). Ursula/Osby/Horsley all fit nicely together, especially in a rich Liverpool Irish acent. OC

Found that one Reg. How does it answer the question? By getting the cert? Ozi.

1871................ Name: John McGinn Age: 46 Estimated birth year: abt 1825 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Osby Gender: Male Where born: Ireland Civil parish: Everton Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch Town: Liverpool County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Registration district: West Derby Sub-registration district: Toxteth Park ED, institution, or vessel: 37 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 209 Household Members: Name Age Elizabeth McGinn 3 George McGinn 18 Henry McGinn 5 John McGinn 46 John McGinn 7 Margaret McGinn 10 months Mary McGinn 4 Michael McGinn 15 Osby McGinn 40 This birth reg'n looks likely to be the youngest child.....and would answer the question about MMN Name: Margaret McGinn Year of Registration: 1870 Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun DISTRICT: West Derby County: Lancashire Volume: 8b Page: 328 Reg

At the moment I can only find them together on 1891. She may be a 2nd marriage. Have you thought of that. Ozi.

I can't find anything that matches on the 1861 census. Do you have that first child's name, born ca 1853? Margaret

Have you found them in all the censuses after 1861? Ozi.

no that Ursula still a widow in 1871 jeanette

Have you checked the IGI? Have you looked at freebmd? If not on either of those resources, you can register with Ancestry.....free.......and search the FULL bmd records. Good luck Reg

I am looking for the Ladies maiden name if possible She was born in Liverpool 'Circa' 1823-1830 First name Ursula She married an Irish born man named JOHN McGINN b 'Circa' 1820-1830 George McGinn Ist child born in Liverpool b Circa 1853 ALSO I am unable to find them in the 1861 Census. Thanking you in appreciation!! Joe Walker, San Antonio