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Trying to find Margaret Elizabeth Betts married Arthur William Howe had a son Arthur William (known as Bill) who was my father born 27/1/1924 in London. I think he had a sister Molly? and one other sister, name unknown. Any new would be much appreciated. Thanks.

Where in London

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Eleni

You are obviously researching the Howe name - please follow the advice given by Argyllgran on the Shirley Andrew’s thread.

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Eleni's thread

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1402958

The family referred to in original post here.............just for INFO


1921 Census Of England & Wales
93, Golborne Road, Kensington, London & Middlesex, England
Arthur William Howe Head Male 1875 46 Elstree, Hertfordshire, England Painter P William Builders, Lancaster R N Kensington Married
John Howe Son Male 1907 14 Middlesex, England - -
Margaret Elizabeth Betts Visitor Female 1915 6 Middlesex, England - - Father dead
Margaret Elizabeth Betts Visitor Female 1887 34 Walthamstow, London, England Home Duties - Single
Emily Howe Daughter Female 1921 - Middlesex, England


Some births

Births Mar 1921 (>99%)
Howe Emily Betts Kensington 1a 216 S
Births Sep 1922 (>99%)
Howe Winifred Betts Kensington 1a 216
Births Mar 1924 (>99%)
Howe Arthur W Betts Kensington 1a 246

No sign of a marriage

Re Margaret Elizabeth Betts 1915, in the 1921 census above:

a possibility for her birth:

BRADDON, MARGARET ELIZABETH mmn BETTS
GRO Reference: 1915 J Quarter in FULHAM Volume 01A Page 382

There's no Braddon/Betts marriage, nor any later sign of this child as Braddon.

1921 says she was born at 78 Overston Road, Hammersmith - which was in Fulham RD.
"Walthamstow" is crossed out.

I know it's the Howe family you're interested in , Eleni - but just in case the Betts connection is of interest -

Re Margaret Elizabeth Betts 1887:

Ancestry suggests this is her:

BETTS, ELSIE MARGARET mmn LEIPNIK
GRO Reference: 1887 M Quarter in MARYLEBONE Volume 01A Page 655


Elsie Betts
in the 1891 England Census
Name Elsie Betts
Gender Female
Age 4
Relationship Daughter
Birth Year 1887
Father
Frederich Betts
Mother
Emma Betts
Birth Place Marylebone, London, England
Civil parish Hampstead
Residence Place Hampstead, London, England
Registration District Hampstead
Sub registration district Hampstead
ED, Institution or Vessel 22
Neighbors
Piece 110
Folio 26
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Frederich Betts 45 Head
Emma Betts 43 Wife
William Betts 20 Son
Florence Betts 18 Daughter
Leontine Betts 16 Daughter
Blanche Betts 14 Daughter
Adolphus Betts 12 Son
Arthur Betts 8 Son
Rosie Betts 6 Daughter
Elsie Betts 4 Daughter
Fanny Cohen 35 Lodger

Elsie Betts
in the 1901 England Census
Name Elsie Betts
Age 14
Estimated Birth Year abt 1887
Relation to Head Daughter
Gender Female
Father Frederick Betts
Mother Emma Betts
Birth Place Marylebone, London, England
Civil parish Willesden
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Ecclesiastical parish Holy Trinity
County/Island Middlesex
Country England
Registration District Hendon
Sub-registration district Willesden
ED, institution, or vessel 47
Neighbors
Piece 1222
Folio 82
Page number 42
Household schedule number 313
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Frederick Betts 54 Head
Emma Betts 52 Wife
Charline Betts 25 Daughter
Rosie Betts 16 Daughter
Elsie Betts 14 Daughter

Elise Betts
in the 1911 England Census
Name Elise Betts
Age in 1911 24
Estimated Birth Year abt 1887
Relation to Head Sister In Law (Sister-in-law)
Gender Female
Birth Place London, United Kingdom
Civil parish Wandsworth
County/Island London
Country England
Street Address 1 Pendennis Road, Streatham S W
Marital Status Single
Occupation Teacher Of Dancing
Registration District Number 26
Sub-registration district Streatham
ED, institution, or vessel 36
Piece 2321
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Samuel Charles Guinery 35 Head
Florence Guinery 37 Wife
Charles Samuel Guinery 12 Son
Cecil Herbert Guinery 8 Son
Frederick Betts 64 Father In Law (Father-in-law)
Elise Betts 24 Sister In Law (Sister-in-law)
Frank Baisley 29 Boarder
Fered Callos 22 Boarder


Elsie M Betts
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name Elsie M Betts
Gender Female
Marital Status Single
Birth Date 25 Jan 1887
Residence Date 1939
Residence Place Paddington, London, England
Occupation Unpaid Domestic Duties
Line Number 3
Schedule Number 102
Sub Schedule Number 2
Enumeration District Appa
Borough Paddington
Registration District 1:2 (28a)
Household Members (Name) Gender Birth Year
Adolph L Betts Male 1879
Elsie M Betts Female 1887 [ Adolph's sister ]
Elsie Betts Female 1902


Deaths Dec 1965 (>99%)
BETTS ELSIE M 78 Hampstead 5b 746



Elsie Margaret Betts
in the England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1995
Name Elsie Margaret Betts
Death Date 13 Oct 1965
Death Place London, England (St Columba's Hospital, London NW3)
Probate Date 17 Jan 1966
Probate Registry London, England
Address: 44 Hillsborough Court, Mortimer Crescent, London NW6.
Probate to Adolph Louis Betts, fine art commission agent.

I rather think that Eleni is just looking for, and adding to, any threads which include the name Howe, which is the subject of her own thread

No I am not i am trying to find my Grandfather's family

But you are hoping that the people named Howe in the old threads you are adding to are connected to your grandfather, aren’t you? Perfectly understandable.............

The link to YOUR thread is posted above (14th October)

Did you get the death certificate as advised?
Did you follow-up on Henry's sister Rose and her family?

Research is the only way to get answers....................

None of the people named in records posted to your thread appear in any GR trees, so no-one with a tree on here is connected.

Yes I tried rose no success

The address for her son on ER to 2018 does not appear to have been sold,.................

Rose's death

Roberson
Rose Grace E
1920
2005
England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
Kent, England

and her husband's

Roberson
Albert George
1912
2000
England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
Thanet with Dover, Kent, England

1921 Census Of England & Wales
16, Kingsley Road, Kilburn, Willesden, Middlesex, England
Francis John Roberson Head Male 1884 36 Marylebone, London, England Postman G P O
Elizabeth Jane Roberson Wife Female 1884 37 Cranbrook, Kent, England Household Duties -
Francis John Roberson Son Male 1910 10 Marylebone, London, England - -
Albert George Roberson Son Male 1912 8 Willesden, London, England -