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Thank you.

Harry must have emigrated between approx May/June 1904 and August 1905.

Lilian Roberts
in the Ontario, Canada, Deaths and Deaths Overseas, 1869-1953
Name Lilian Roberts
Gender Female
Death Age 0
Birth Date abt 1905
Birth Place England
Death Date 11 Oct 1905
Death Place Ontario, Ontario, Canada
Religion Methodist
Cause of Death Diarrhea

Age 7 months.
Address: 16 Mill Street.

Good one, Kay!

Mrs Eliz Roberts
in the Canada, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1865-1935
Name Mrs Eliz Roberts
Gender Female
Marital Status Married
Arrival Age 22
Birth Date abt 1883 [abt 1883]
Birth Place Engd
Arrival Date 10 Aug 1905
Arrival Port Montreal, Quebec, Canada
Final Destination Toronto Ont.
Ship Virginian
Occupation Harmas Maker [ Harness maker ] <<<<<


Image is very faint and hard to read.

Travelling with infant Lil*.
Going from Lincoln to Toronto.
"Going to husband".

Eliz Roberts,,,,,,,,,
Gender Female
Departure Age 22
Birth Date abt 1883
[abt 1883]
Departure Date 3 Aug 1905
Departure Port England
Ship Name Virginia
Shipping Line Allan Line
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Destination Port Montreal, Canada
Master A H Virprude


traveled ---- as Wife and an infant named Lillian,just these two listed.

?

11th March 1905.

What is Lilian's exact DOB? (In Apr/May/June qr 1905)

Elizabeth must have travelled to Canada between that date and Albert Henry's birth in Ontario on 24 June 1906.

However, I can't see any record of that on Ancestry, either as Harper or as Roberts.

Just received birth certificate for Lilian Roberts Harper born 1905. Elizabeth is definitely her mother as same address 3 Segmere Street. So she couldn’t have gone to Canada in 1904???

Lizzie is still with her parents Robert and Mary Jane in Cleethorpes in 1901.

1921 census says Harry and Elizabeth immigrated in 1904.

Harry Roberts
in the 1921 Census of Canada
Name Harry Roberts
Gender Male
Racial or Tribal Origin English
Nationality Canada
Marital Status Married
Age 39
Birth Year abt 1882 [abt 1882]
Birth Place England
Year of Immigration 1909 [ 1904 mistranscribed ]
Residence Date 1 Jun 1921
House Number 178
Parish 2670 Danforth
Residence Street or Township 2670 Danforth
Residence City, Town or Village Toronto City
Residence District York South
Residence Province or Territory Ontario
Residence Country Canada
Relation to Head of House Head
Spouse's Name Elizabeth Roberts
Father Birth Place England
Mother Birth Place England
Can Speak English? Yes
Can Speak French? No
Religion Church Of England
Can Read? Yes
Can Write? Yes
Months at School X4-00
Employment Type 3 Own Account
Nature of Work Own Shop B
Municipality Ward 8
Enumeration District 144
Sub-District Toronto (City)
Sub-District Number 48
Home Owned or Rented Owned
Monthly Rental BB
Class of House Row or Terrace
Materials of Construction Brick
Number of Rooms 6
Enumerator John Camest Holhs
District Description Ward 1, Polling Subdivision No.166 and 167
Neighbors
Line Number 40
Family Number 186
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Harry Roberts 39 Head
Elizabeth Roberts 38 Wife
William Roberts 12 Son



And 1911 says 1900 for Harry and 1901 for Elizabeth :

H J Roberts
in the 1911 Census of Canada
Name H J Roberts
Gender Male
Marital Status Married
Race or Tribe English
Nationality Canadian
Age 30
Birth Date Feb 1881
Birth Place England
Census year 1911
Relation to Head of House Head
Immigration Year 1900
Dwelling No. 6
Province Ontario
District York South
District Number 138
Sub-District 20 - East Toronto
Sub-District Number 20
Place of Habitation 1582 Dunfort
Religion Anglican
Occupation Hanups none [ Harness maker ]
Employer yes
Employee yes
Works at Nore
Life Insurance 1000
Insurance Cost 32.00
Can Read yes
Can Write yes
Language English E
Family Number 6
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
H J Roberts 30 Head
Elizabeth Roberts 29 Wife
Edith Roberts 6 Son [ Albert mistranscribed ]
William Roberts 3 Son

I did check it out on GRO and no mother’s maiden name. Like you say if migrated 1904. Think Lilian is still one of my lot though. As most Harper’s in Cleethorpes are at that time.

To check whether the mother was married, look at the birth on the GRO site. If no MMN recorded, she wasn’t

But if Elizabeth migrated in 1904…………….

Info found by googling

From 1901 arrival years were added to census returns.

Until 1908 emigrants that arrived in American ports on their way to Canada were not recorded at the border.

Is there any proof they arrived in 1904? I have a Lilian Roberts Harper born in Cleethorpes March 1905. Initially assumed she could be Elizabeth’s daughter. Will order the birth certificate.
Thanks again

Possibly return to Canada travelling with Lizzie J aged 27 and Albert age 1 so children's ages a bit out!

Board Of Trade: Commercial And Statistical Department And Successors: Outwards Passenger Lists
Quebec, Canada
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Transcript of William's record
First name(s) William
Destination place - country CANADA
Last name Roberts
Destination country Canada
Sex Male
Ship's square feet 27941
Birth year 1909
Ship's official number 145964
Age 2
Ship's master's title Capt
Age as transcribed 2
Ship's master's last name Harrison
Occupation Child
Shipping line Canadian Pacific
Departure day 19
Number of passengers 557
Departure month 4
Length of voyage in days 17
Departure year 1911
Ship's departure port AVONMOUTH
Departure country England
Ship's destination port Saint John NB
Departure port Bristol
Ship's destination country Canada
Destination port Quebec
Archive The National Archives
Entry struck out N
Series title Board Of Trade: Commercial And Statistical Department And Successors: Outwards Passenger Lists
Destination Quebec
Series BT 27
Province or maritime Quebec
Record set Passenger Lists Leaving UK 1890-1960
Country Canada
Category Travel & migration
Ship's name Royal George
Subcategory Passenger Lists
Ship's registered tonnage 9723
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William's journey
The royal george

Travelling with Mrs HJ Roberts and Albert Roberts

From FMP - read every other line to make sense


First name(s) William
Ship departure port Montreal
Last name Roberts
Ship destination port Avonmouth
Sex Male
Master first name James
Year of arrival 1910
Master last name Harrison
Arrival date 11 Aug 1910
Archive The National Archives
Nationality English
Archive description Bristol: SS Royal George (Canadian Northern Line) travelling from Montreal to Bristol. Embarking at Montreal and Quebec. Official Number: 125643. List of passengers disembarking at Bristol.
Departure port Montreal
Archive item reference BT 26/407/77
Departure country Canada
Item 77
Destination port Avonmouth
Line 46
Destination country England
Record set Britain And Ireland, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960
Class Third
Category Travel & migration
Ship name Royal George
Subcategory Passenger Lists
Shipping line Royal Line Canadian Northern Steamships Ltd
Collections from Great Britain, England, Canada, Americas
Ship number 125643

1921 Census Of England & Wales
Long Street, Dursley, Gloucestershire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship to head Sex Birth year Age in years Birth place Occupation Employer
Henry Roberts Head Male 1862 59 Wotton under Edge, Gloucestershire, England Hotel Porter George Ayliffe Hotel Propietor
Lilian Roberts Daughter Female 1887 34 Dursley, Gloucestershire, England Cloth Weaver Hant & Winterlotham Cloth Manf Out Of Work
Gertrude Roberts Daughter Female 1890 31 Dursley, Gloucestershire, England Home Duties -
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1911 Census For England & Wales
Long Street Dursley Gloshire, Dursley, Gloucestershire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship to head Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
H F Roberts Head Married Male 49 1862 Ostter at hotel Glos Wotton under Edge
Francis Roberts Wife Married Female 49 1862 - Glos North Nibley
Lilian Roberts Daughter - Female 27 1884 - -
Elizabeth Roberts Daughter in law Married Female 27 1884 - Cleethorps Nr Grimsby << ....<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Albert Roberts Nephew - Male 5 1906 - Toronto, Canada
William Roberts Nephew - Male 3 1908 - Toronto, Canada

Elizabeth said to be married for 6 years with 2 children born and both alive

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1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Long Street, Dursley, Gloucestershire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Henry J Roberts Head Married Male 39 1862 Grocer hotel Wotton-Under-Edge, Gloucestershire, England
Frances J Roberts Wife Married Female 40 1861 - North Nibley, Gloucestershire, England
Harry J Roberts Son Single Male 18 1883 Saddler Dursley, Gloucestershire, England
Lilian H Roberts Daughter Single Female 16 1885 Cloth weaver Uley, Gloucestershire, England
Gertrude M Roberts Daughter Single Female 13 1888 Scholar Dursley, Gloucestershire, England
Albert J Roberts Son Single Male 11 1890 Scholar Dursley, Gloucestershire, England

1939 Register for that Dursley address -
1939 Register
"shortlands" Woodmancote, Dursley, Dursley R.D., Gloucestershire, England

First name(s) Last name(s) Birth date Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule sub number
~??? Roberts 21 Jan 1862 Male Hotel Porter (Retired) Widowed 21 1
Gertrude M Roberts 16 Mar 1888 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Single 21 2
Lilian H Roberts 18 Jan 1885 Female Worsted Cloth Weave Single 21 3

The first name of the 1862 DOB is barely visible where marks are on the paper, but possibly Henry J

?
Return from a trip back to England
With Elizabeth aged 62.
Harry shown as a Leather worker.
Last address in UK shown as Shortlands, Woodmancote, Dursley, Glos

Name Harry J Roberts
Gender Male
Departure Age 64
Birth Date abt 1883
[abt 1883]
Departure Date 2 Aug 1947
Departure Port England
Ship Name Aquitania
Shipping Line Cunard White Star Limited
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Destination Port Halifax, Canada
Master G G Cove

Although 1931 census says Harry emigrated in 1904, when he travelled to New York in 1912 he said he'd lived in Canada since 1902.

Harry J Roberts
in the Canada, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1865-1935
Name Harry J Roberts
Gender Male
Race English
Marital Status Married
Arrival Age 29
Birth Date abt 1883 [abt 1883]
Birth Place England
Arrival Date 18 Sep 1912
Arrival Port New York, New York, USA
Final Destination Toronto
Ship Caronia
Occupation Hannesmaker [ Harness maker ]

Said he'd lived in Canada for 10 years, 1902-12.