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Looking on the other side of the family of Oakdens

We only have Ronald Varney born 10 July 1915, died June qtr 1973 at Spilsby, Lincs,
Father was Jack Varney, killed in Action in WW1 friend thinks 1918.
Not much to go on, have looked in CWGC and can't find a Jack or John to fit!!
Any help appreciated, thank you

Could some-one please do a 1921 Census search for Ronald as he should still be with his Mother hopefully and then I could see if this marriage that I found with a John G Varney to Rose Siddall in March 1915 could be Ronald's parents.

off to bed now, back in morning night everyone

The death you refer to, showing DOB - as known to the person registering the death

Surname First name(s) DoB District Vol Page
Deaths Jun 1973 (>99%)
VARNEY RONALD 10JY1915 SPILSBY 3B 1130

There were only 2 Ronald Varney births in 1915 and only one of those would fit a July birth. Easily found via freebmd which would then lead to the parents marriage.

If correct person - with grandparents in 1921 and probably a sister.

The original shows him to be 5 years and 11 months old, Beatrice is 2y 10m.
their Father is shown as Dead

Beatrice Pearson aged 28 should be surname Varney as per original

The 1921 census was taken on 19 June 2021 which would make Ronald born July 1915

1921 Census Of England & Wales
70, Vere Road, Wadsley Bridge, Ecclesfield, Yorkshire (West Riding), England

First name(s) Last name Relationship to head Sex Birth year Age in years Birth place Occupation Employer
Arthur Thomas Pearson Head Male 1870 51 Sheffield, Yorkshire, England Fitter A H Bisby & Co Out Of Work
Kate Pearson Wife Female 1873 47 Sheffield, Yorkshire, England - Razor Manufacture
Earnest Pearson Son Male 1899 22 Sheffield, Yorkshire, England Turner A H Bisby & Co
Arthur Thomas Pearson Son Male 1903 18 Sheffield, Yorkshire, England Hammer Driver Razor Manufacture Out Of Work Eadon & Sons Forgers Part Time
Fred Pearson Son Male 1910 10 Sheffield, Yorkshire, England - -
Stanley Pearson Son Male 1914 6 Sheffield, Yorkshire, England - -
Beatrice Pearson Daughter Female 1892 28 Sheffield, Yorkshire, England - -
Ronald Varney Grandson Male 1915 5 Sheffield, Yorkshire, England - -
Beatrice Varney Granddaughter Female 1918 2 Sheffield, Yorkshire, England - -

Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page
Births Sep 1915 (>99%)
Varney Ronald Pearson Wortley 9c 643

Births Dec 1918 (>99%)
Varney Beatrice Pearson Wortley 9c 542

Parents' marriage:

Marriages Dec 1914 (>99%)
PEARSON Beatrice Varney Wortley 9c 635
Varney John Pearson Wortley 9c 635

John Varney
in the UK, World War I Pension Ledgers and Index Cards, 1914-1923
Name John Varney
Gender Male
Rank Private
Record Type Military
Death Date 13 Jun 1918 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Death Place France <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Service Number 200425
Corps, Regiment or Unit York & Lancs (1/4)
Title WWI Pension Record Cards and Ledgers
Description Other Ranks Died Vandenbosch F-Vaughan G
Next of Kin (Name) Relation to Soldier
John Varney
Beatrice Varney Widow
Ronald Varney Child

On CWGC:


J VARNEY
Private
Service Number: 200425

1st/4th Bn.
York and Lancaster Regiment
United Kingdom

Died 13 June 1918

HAGLE DUMP CEMETERY
I. E. 2.
Belgium

The Varney/Siddall marriage in Sheffield produced 8 children in Sheffield between 1915 and 1934, no John or Jack and a girl 1915.

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
PEARSON, BEATRICE RODGERS
GRO Reference: 1893 D Quarter in SHEFFIELD Volume 09C Page 572

PEARSON, ARTHUR THOMAS RODGERS
GRO Reference: 1903 S Quarter in SHEFFIELD Volume 09C Page 617


Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Jun 1893 (>99%)
Pearson Arthur Thomas Sheffield 9c 867
Rodgers Kate Sheffield 9c 867

To ArgyllGran and Greyghost


Thank you very much for your help, I did wonder about the Jack being John as we have had them in our family, always called Jack but officially John.

Hi, I have Ronald Varney Marrying Marjorie Hall in Dec qtr 1939 Sheffield, she was born 8th September 1918 so would like some-one to look her up in the 1921 census please, so I can hopefully get her parents, then I can give my friend all of her 8 Great grandparents. Thank you very much for your help.

Use freebmd or the GRO to find the surname of Marjorie’s mother, you should then be able to find a marriage between that name and Hall.

Doing one’s own research is most of the fun.

Hi, I think I have found the parents by mmn and then a marriage but I cant get a census for 1921 , I just wanted to be sure of the right one

This is the only record to fit a September birth in Sheffield

Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page
Births Sep 1918 (>99%)
Hall Marjorie Norshall Sheffield 9c 1047

No marriage with that combination of surnames

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1921 Census Of England & Wales
13, Danville Street, Sheffield, Yorkshire (West Riding), England

First name(s) Last name Relationship to head Sex Birth year Age in years Birth place Occupation Employer
Fred Hall Head Male 1889 31 Sheffield, Yorkshire, England General Labourer W F Beesley & Co, Universal Steel Works, Attercliffe Rd
Mabel S Hall Wife Female 1891 29 Sheffield, Yorkshire, England - -
Mabel Hall Daughter Female 1913 7 Sheffield, Yorkshire, England - -
Bessie Hall Daughter Female 1915 6 Sheffield, Yorkshire, England - -
Marjorie Hall Daughter Female 1918 2 Sheffield, Yorkshire, England - -

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Mabel's birth gives mmn as Northall

Births Sep 1913 (>99%)
Hall Mabel Northall Sheffield 9c 1245

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So this marriage if correct Marjorie - you should get the birth cert. to confirm - should be £3 through the GRO site

Surname First name(s) Mother/Spouse District Vol Page
Marriages Dec 1912 (>99%)
Hall Fred Northall Sheffield 9c 1262
Northall Mabel S Hall Sheffield 9c 1262

Looks like Mabel is using her middle name by 1939 - I can't see a death for a Mabel and a marriage of Fred to a Sarah

1939 Register
13 Court 4 House, Sheffield, Sheffield C.B., Yorkshire (West Riding), England

First name(s) Last name(s) Birth date Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule sub number
Fred Hall 15 Nov 1889 Male Smiths Striker Forge (Heavy Worker) Married 261 1
Sarah M Hall 22 Nov 1891 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 261 2
Marjorie Varney (Hall) 08 Sep 1918 Female Fruit Canner Single 261 3

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Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Births Dec 1891 (>99%)
Northall Mabel Sarah Sheffield 9c 613

I found a Fred Hall married to Mabel S Northall in December qtr 1912 in Sheffield

That's the correct one - see Greyghost's post at 18:28.

Thank you for all your help, I will pass it all on and then my friend can decide about getting some certificates she will need.