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My great-great grandmother was Elizabeth Roberts, born in 1813 in Llansilin and baptised there on 25 August 1813. She was the daughter of Catherine and Cadwaladr Edwards. She married Edward Edwards in May 1842 in Llanfyllin. He was born in 1811 in Montgomeryshire. Elizabeth is a widow by 1861. This is where I may be losing my marbles because I've gone back to this after a good while and I have a death recorded for Edward in 1856 but I can't for the life of me find where I found it. I cannot find a death for Elizabeth either. Their last child was born in 1856 so that death is possible. I've looked at Ancestry, Find My Past, Family Search and the GRO. Can someone with a bit of time to spare please take a peek for me and confirm whether I'm really losing the plot or not?

Annie

Haven’t you used freebmd?

Please post 1861 on here for full info -especially LOCATION

What about
www.freereg.org.uk

Sorry, I should have said Freebmd too. Their children were Edward 1838 and Cuffin 1840, both born to Elizabeth before marriage, David 1843, Mary 1849 and John, my great-grandfather, in 1856. His birth cert gives place of birth as Daywell, Whittington. I'm going back to 1861 now.

Annie

I'm getting an error message with the census but this is what it says:

Daywell, St. Barnabas

Elizabeth Edwards, widow, 48, born Denbighshire, washerwoman
Mary Edwards, daughter, age 11, born Selattyn
John Edwards, son, 1856, born Whittington

Sorry, best I can do with that at the moment. I'm now trawling through all the Oswestry deaths for Edward Edwards in 1856 in case that's the right year and then I'll have another look at the other districts around there. I'm repeating myself here but I may have missed something.

Annie

For helpers
The woman’s age in 1861 is 46……they are living in Shropshire.

Where was JOHN in 1871?

Age at death isn’t on freebmd for that era - only on the GRO site

Twelve deaths for the name in Oswestry 1856-1861…..cross-refer with GRO

I may have found Elizabeth's death in 1861 on the GRO. I've just got the digital image. IF it's the right one, she died on May 8th in Guilsfield, aged 49. It says she was the wife of Edward Edwards, a labourer. She died of consumption and the informant was a Mary Morris. The death age fits in with the dob.
Thank you for your help.

Annie

I'm getting error 1101 with most things now, including the census. I think I'll give it a while to rectify itself and try again later.

Annie

Which site?

I have no problems on FMP or Ancestry

It's Ancestry. It's been doing it most of the afternoon.

Annie

Burial for Edward? Abode was Daywell.

First name(s) Edward
County Shropshire
Last name Edwards
Archive reference P128/A/3/1
Birth year 1812
Page 5
Death year 1858
Register type Burial
Death date ? ? 1858
Register date range 1854-1900
Age 46
Record set Shropshire Burials
Burial year 1858
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Burial date 30 Oct 1858
Subcategory Parish Burials
Burial place >Hengoed<
Denomination Anglican



1851 census

>Henyoed< House in the Field, Selattyn, Oswestry, Shropshire, England

Household members (4 people)
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Edward Edwards Head
Married Male 38 1813 Labourer Denbighshire, Wales
Elizabeth Edwards Wife
Married Female 36 1815 Labourers wife Denbighshire, Wales
David Edwards Son
Unmarried Male 8 1843 Scholar Montgomeryshire, Wales
Mary Edwards Daughter
Unmarried Female 1 1850 - Selattyn, Shropshire, England

As per my earlier post - full info as I am now able to C&P

1861 census
Name Elizabeth Edwards
Gender Female
Age 46
Relation Head
Estimated Birth Year 1815
Where born Llansillin, Denbighshire, Wales
Civil parish Daywell
Ecclesiastical parish St Barnabas
County/Island Shropshire
Country England
Registration District Oswestry
Sub-registration district St Martin
ED, institution, or vessel 6
Household schedule number 57
Piece 1880
Folio 9
Page number 11
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Elizabeth Edwards 46 Head
Mary Edwards 11 Daughter
John Edwards 4 Son

Although there is the 1858 burial record for Edward, posted by Alviegal at 13:42, there is no death record.

Registration was not compulsory in England/Wales until 1875.

Re. post at 18.36 on 10 January.

Would Elizabeth be refered to as 'wife of' if her husband had already died?

My sister-in-law’s death certificate has her as ‘wife’ of the husband who pre-deceased her by many years

Fair enough... I suppose it sometimes depends on a particular resistrar regarding wording.

Not that it is relevant to this thread, but nowadays a married man is recorded as 'huband of......' and then the wife's occupation.
I don't know when that wording and description started.

I'm sorry for my absence. I had to pause this for a surgical operation but I'm back on the case now and reading through all the info. Thank you for carrying on without me.

Annie