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Thankyou all again, very much appreciated.

Regards

Keith

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Laytham, Aughton, Howden, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (East Riding), England

Household members (7 people)
First name(s) Last name Sex Age Birth year Birth place
John Knoppy Male 50 1791 Yorkshire, England
Elizabeth Knoppy Female 40 1801 Yorkshire, England
George Knoppy Male 10 1831 Yorkshire, England
Ann Knoppy Female 8 1833 Yorkshire, England
William Knoppy Male 6 1835 Yorkshire, England
Charles Knoppy Male 4 1837 Yorkshire, England
James Knoppy Male 0 1841 Yorkshire, England


1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Farm House, Foggathorpe, Howden, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (East Riding), England

Household members (8 people)
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William Dykes Head of family
Married Male 35 1816 Farmer Bramham, Yorkshire, England
Anne Dykes Wife
Married Female 34 1817 - Cheadle, Staffordshire, England
William C S Dykes Son
- Male 11 1840 Scholar Beverley, Yorkshire, England
Phoebe A Dykes Daughter
- Female 8 1843 Scholar at home Beverley, Yorkshire, England
Mary Dykes Daughter
- Female 6 1845 Scholar at home Ellerker, Yorkshire, England
John S Dykes Son
- Male 3 1848 - Blacktoft, Yorkshire, England
Mary Clark Servant
Unmarried Female 25 1826 House servant Sancton, Yorkshire, England
>>Charles Knappy Servant
Unmarried Male 13 1838 Farm labourer Laytham, Yorkshire, England


1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census
4, Back Lane, Laytham, Howden, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (East Riding), England

Household members (3 people)
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John Knappy Head
Married Male 69 1792 Agricultural labourer -York, Breighton
Elizabeth Knappy Wife
Married Female 62 1799 - York, Spaldington
Charles Knappy Son
Unmarried Male 24 1837 Brick maker York, Laytham



1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Back of Hatfield Street, Wakefield, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (West Riding), England

Household members (3 people)
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Charles Knappy Head
- Male 51 1820 Boro police constable Howden, Yorkshire, England
Rebecca Knappy Wife
- Female 31 1840 - Market Weighton, Yorkshire, England
William C Knappy Son
- Male 7 1864 Scholar Leeds, Yorkshire, England



1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Newbys Mill, Headingley with Burley, Leeds, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (West Riding), England

Household members (8 people)
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Charles Knappy Head
Widower Male 40 1841 Policeman Laytham, Yorkshire, England
William C Knappy Son
Single Male 17 1864 Labourer (general) Leeds, Yorkshire, England
Louisa Knappy Daughter
Single Female 9 1872 Scholar Wakefield, Yorkshire, England
Ellen Thorpe Sister in law
Married Female 44 1837 Laundress Harswell, Yorkshire, England
Sarah J Thorpe Niece
Single Female 16 1865 Domestic servant Yorkshire, England
Mary N Thorpe Niece
Single Female 12 1869 Scholar Hambleton, Yorkshire, England
Walter W Thorpe Nephew
Single Male 6 1875 Scholar Meanwood, Yorkshire, England
Jessie Thorpe Niece
Single Female 2 1879 - Woodhouse, Yorkshire, England



1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Wood Lane, Headingley with Burley, Leeds, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (West Riding), England

Household members (3 people)
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Charles Knappy Head
Married Male 51 1840 Policeman Kexby, Yorkshire, England
Elizabeth Knappy Wife
Married Female 40 1851 - Laytham, Yorkshire, England
Lucia Knappy Daughter
Single Female 19 1872 Dress maker Wakefield, Yorkshire, England



1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Oil Mill Yard, Headingley, Headingley cum Burley, Leeds, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (West Riding), England

Household members (4 people)
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Charles Knoppy Head
Married Male 61 1840 Retired policeman Howden, Yorkshire, England
Elizabeth Knoppy Wife
Married Female 51 1850 - York, Yorkshire, England
Louisa Knoppy Daughter
Single Female 28 1873 Tailoress & dressmaker Wakefield, Yorkshire, England
Sophia I Knoppy Daughter
Single Female 24 1877 Machinist imperials Leeds, Yorkshire, England



1911 Census For England & Wales
Wood Lane Headingley, Leeds, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (West Riding), England

Household members (4 people)
First name(s) Last name Relationship to head Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Charles Knappy Head
Married Male 71 1840 Retired police pensioner Yorks Kawden
Elizabeth Knappy Wife
Married Female 61 1850 - Yorks Kexby York
Sophia Isabel Knappy Daughter
Single Female 33 1878 Machiners skirt hand Yorks Headingley
Lilian Appleyard Visitor
Single Female 21 1890 Machinist skirt hand Yorks Leeds

You probably already have all of these. Have put in a correction for Charles' year of birth in 1871.

TIP:

When accessing censuses, if you see what you think is incorrect spelling, look at the original to make sure that it isn’t simply a mistranscription.

Also, bear in mind that many people in those days could not spell, and the enumerator would write down what he ‘heard’, so look for all possible variants.

Family history groups in the relevant area(s) may have websites and the chance to contact them to ask for assistance.

But….the few helpers who remain on here are always willing to give of their time etc, so don’t be shy about asking

Following on from what Kathleen said, it may seem strange to join a Family History Society which is local to where you live but has no connection to where you are researching. Membership gives you access to the sites they have subscribed to and to all the advice sessions they run.
If you have a local Church of the Latterday Saints (Mormons) it would be worth checking to see if they have a research room, there may not be any help ( there wasn’t at mine) but you would have access to their computers.

If you are in the UK look out for special events put on by the local Family History Societies or bigger companies like the Family History Shows. They are a touch local but have advice sessions.

Definitely no external groups connected with GR

The people who help on here are very few in number these days - the site used to be a hive of activity, but sadly, that is no longer the case

You’ve been given info about some free sites and also how to access others, but don’t forget to google…………….

One site which I can’t see in the list is the GRO site, which is free and gives MMN on pre-1911 births. It has births and deaths, but not marriages.

Brain has woken up -
the missing one is www.freecen.org.uk - not all census are covered
www.freereg.org.uk - parish registers , not all are covered
www.freebmd.org.uk - births marriages & deaths from late 1837 not yet to the present day but work is ongoing all the time.

Also look at Search/search all members trees to see if any member has your family in their trees. You can then click on the name and send a pm. Genes will notify them of the pm as long as their contact details are up to date. I can see there are a lot of other peple on there with the same names as you, so well work checking it out. Just a note, you shouldn't have anyone living in your tree without their permission.

If you check with your local library many have a Family History group that meet in the local library or a hall nearby where there would be lots of people who would be willing to help.

Members on Genes are always willing to look up things if you give plenty of detail of what you are looking for.

Findmypast (which I use) and Ancestry usually have a free 14 day trial period which is worth trying but remember to cancel before the 14 days is up or they will charge you for the year.

Good luck.

Kath. x

Only using Genes - that explains a lot. Genes is definitely not the best place for research. Not many on here use it for research.

Free sites: www.freebmd.org.uk, www.freereg.org,uk ( there’s another one but mind has gone blank).
Family Search.

I don’t know where you are but most British library services have free access to Ancestry - West Yorkshire records on Ancestry are very good. Ancestry also have the Fsmily search and find a grave links.
The newspaper article probably came from the British Newspaper Archives - you can do a free search but results are often incomprehensible.

Certificates are bought from the GRO, depending on dates they can be cheaper as downloads. Wills ( after 1856) can be bought from the Gov. Probate Office

Wow and ho my giddy aunt, thankyou all, please accept my greatful thanks.

Please post me a set of link you all use, I see there are some, but I'm struggling with just Genes reunited and you are all so much more experienced then me.

Are there any social groups your attached to or groups that meet up?

Again thankyou all.

Regards Keith K

A son - https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/227675739/charles-knappy

Age 3 days of Wood Lane Cottage - 24 Mar 1882

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
KNAPPY, CHARLES WRIGHTSON
GRO Reference: 1882 M Quarter in LEEDS Volume 09B Page 564

The Leeds Mercury, Thursday, April 7, 1898

A pension of £55 9s 4d per annum or 21s 4d per week was granted to Charles Knappy, a constable who is 57 years of age, and has served 27 years on the force.

EDIT - from Find My Past

Good find Maddie. Shows how important lateral thinking is when doing FH

Jno. Knappy
Gender Male
Marriage Date 25 May 1824
Marriage Place Bubwith,York,England
Spouse
Elizth. Pettenger
FHL Film Number 919474

Charles Knappy
Gender Male
Baptism Date 1 Apr 1838
Baptism Place Aughton with East Cottingwith, Yorkshire, England
Father
John Knappy ---- a labourerr
Mother
Elizabeth Knappy

ist child

George Knappy
Gender Male
Baptism Date 30 Oct 1831
Baptism Place Aughton Near Selby,York,England
Father
John Knappy
Mother
Elizabeth
FHL Film Number 919385

son james

James
Country England
Last name Nappy
Volume 23
Birth registration year 1841
Page 47
Registration quarter 1
Record set England & Wales Births 1837-2006
Mother's maiden name Pettinger ---------------
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
District Howden
Subcategory Civil Births
County Yorkshire

Charles
Country England
Last name Nappy
Volume 23
Birth registration year 1838
Page 45
Registration quarter 2
Record set England & Wales Births 1837-2006
Mother's maiden name Pettinger
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
District Howden
Subcategory Civil Births
County Yorkshire

Robert
Country England
Last name Nappy
Volume 23
Birth registration year 1843
Page 57
Registration quarter 2
Record set England & Wales Births 1837-2006
Mother's maiden name Pettinger
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
District Howden
Subcategory Civil Births
County Yorkshire

Charles was baptised 1st April 1838, father John, mother Elizabeth

It doesn’t appear that his birth was registered, so you will have to find another way of determining MMN, should you wish to.

Rebecca’s death is easily found on freebmd….1880, aged 40

No suggestion on freebmd that her surname at marriage was anything other than COOK, and the actual marriage certificate (on FMP) backs this up.

They married in Aughton, where he was baptised

2nd marriage

Charles Knappy ------------ a widower, a policeman
Marriage Age 40
Event Type Marriage
Birth Year abt 1841
Marriage Date 23 Apr 1881
Marriage Place Leeds, St Peter, Yorkshire, England
Parish as it Appears Leeds, St Peter
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Father
John Knappy ------ a farm labourer
Spouse
Elizabeth Wrightson

Elizabeth Knappy
Birth Date 1850
Death Date 6 Dec 1915
Cemetery Lawnswood Cemetery and Crematorium
Burial or Cremation Place Adel, Metropolitan Borough of Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
Has Bio? N
URL
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/227677637/elizabeth-knappy

ancestry suggests this one


Rebecca Cooke
Birth Date 2 Mar 1840
Baptism Date 8 Mar 1840
Baptism Place Harswell, Yorkshire, England
Parish as it Appears Harswell
Father
William Cooke
Mother
Rebecca Cooke

Charles
Spouse's father's first name(s) William
Last name Knappy
Spouse's father's last name Cook
Birth year 1839
County Yorkshire (East Riding)
Age 22
Country England
Residence Skipwith
Archive Borthwick Institute for Archives
Marriage year 1861
Archive reference PR AUG/94
Marriage date 23 Nov 1861
Event type Marriages
Marriage place Aughton with East Cottingwith
Event year range 1837-1885
Spouse's first name(s) Rebecca
Page 60
Spouse's last name Cook
Record set Yorkshire Marriages
Spouse's age 21
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Spouse's residence Laytham
Subcategory Parish Marriages
Father's first name(s) John
Collections from England, Great Britain
Father's last name Knappy

or

Charles
County Yorkshire (East Riding)
Last name Knappy
Country England
Banns year 1861
Archive Borthwick Institute for Archives
Banns date 03 Nov 1861
Archive reference PR AUG 112
Marriage year 1861
Page 5
Place Aughton with East Cottingwith
Record set Yorkshire Banns
Residence Bubwith
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Spouse's first name(s) Rebecca
Subcategory Parish Marriages
Spouse's last name Cook
Collections from England, Great Britain
Spouse's residence Laytham, Aughton

Charles Knappy
Age 31
Birth Date abt 1841
Birth Place Laytham Howden, Yorkshire, England
Event Date 16 Feb 1872
Event Place Leeds, West Riding, England
Reference WYP/LE/A137/254
Force Leeds City Police
Year Range or Title 1833-1914 Register of Constables


Charles Knappy
Birth Date 1841
Death Date 20 Jan 1913
Cemetery Lawnswood Cemetery and Crematorium
Burial or Cremation Place Adel, Metropolitan Borough of Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
Has Bio? N
URL
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/227677361/charles-knappy
Rebecca Knappy
Birth Date 1840
Death Date 21 Jun 1880
Cemetery Lawnswood Cemetery and Crematorium
Burial or Cremation Place Adel, Metropolitan Borough of Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
Has Bio? N
URL
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/227675699/rebecca-knappy

Hi all,

I'm looking to find full info on Charles Knoppy b.m.death (incorrect spelling of surname, should be Knappy) born 1837-8 Howden, Laytham.
In 1851 census Charles Knappy 13 1838 servant, I believe this is the correct Charles as all the family in 1841 John, Elizabeth Knappy and all the children (Knoppy in 1841) are spelt Knappy in 1851.
Then 1861 Charles Knappy 24 b.1837 is back with mum & dad, but he marries in 1861 so I think he's there for the wedding to Rebecca Cook or Thorpe which took place in Howden
In 1871 he's a Policeman with Rebecca in Wakefield & in 1881 Policman in Headingley (a Widower).

I cannot reconcile Charles death year, which Rebecca, Cook or Thorpe or her death.

If anyone can help please.

Regards

Keith K