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ArgyllGran
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22 Jul 2025 21:33 |
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Thanks, ErikaH. Oh well!
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ErikaH
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22 Jul 2025 15:53 |
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Image for the 1917 burial is on FMP
He was 58 years old and a Railway Company mechanic
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ArgyllGran
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22 Jul 2025 15:39 |
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That's not the right man, sadly.
The digital image of that death cert says:
he died on 12/4 /1924 at Mental Hospital, Stone, of "senile decay". The informant was a medical officer at the hospital.
His address was Station Terrace, Great Linford, Newport Pagnell, Bucks. He was a general labourer.
Looking at censuses - he was with his sister Emma Nicholls in Great Linford in 1921 - a retired boilermaker.
They were both born in Great Linford. Parents: Thomas and Ann.
NICKOLLS, EMMA mmn ELLIOTT GRO Reference: 1846 M Quarter in NEWPORT PAGNELL UNION Volume 06 Page 404
NICHOLS, JOSEPH mmn ELLIOTT GRO Reference: 1839 J Quarter in NEWPORT PAGNEL UNION Volume 06 Page 401
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Jink20
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22 Jul 2025 14:05 |
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Found this on FamilySearch
Name Joseph Nicholls Age 84 Birth Year (Estimated) 1840 Event Type Death Event Date 1924 Event Place Buckinghamshire, England, United Kingdom Event Place (Original) Buckinghamshire Page Number 937 Volume 3A
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ArgyllGran
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22 Jul 2025 14:05 |
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Thanks again to all.
There's no image or other info about this death on Ancestry or FamilySearch. Probably not him, but frustrating not to know!:
Joseph Nicholls in the India, Select Deaths and Burials, 1719-1948 Name Joseph Nicholls Gender Male Death Date 25 Dec 1917 Burial Date 26 Dec 1917 Burial Place Sewi, Bombay, India [that'll be SEWRI ] FHL Film Number 523905
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Jink20
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22 Jul 2025 13:30 |
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Thoughts.........Just in case you are at a loose end
Location of British Army Infantry and Cavalry Regiments 1878-1891 4th Battalion was in Burma December 1888 but in Parkhurst (I.O.W) by January 1891 Discharged in Hampshire ??
British Newspaper Archive - Any reports of Joseph's death as a soldier?
The Rifle Brigade Chronicle 1890 to 1920 https://archive.org/search?query=The%20Rifle%20Brigade%20Chronicle A thankless task searching these in the hope that the death of a Rifleman or other significant event involving Joseph was recorded Also available on FMP
British Army muster rolls and pay lists c.1730-1898 Reference: WO 16/2887 Description: 4th Bn Rifle Brigade Date: 1886-1889 Kew only- It could identify whether or not he was still on the payroll
Records of payments made to pensioners living overseas, WO 22 and WO 23 or FMP
GRO- Soldiers Wills, if he died
PIN71- War Pension files, prior to 1914
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ErikaH
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22 Jul 2025 12:18 |
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4th Battalion
1873 India 1878 Afghanistan 1881 North West Frontier 1885 Jhansi 1885 Calcutta 1888 Dinapore 1888 Burma 1913 Dagshai
https://archive.org/details/riflebrigadechr00owngoog/page/n95/mode/2up?view=theater
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Maddie
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22 Jul 2025 10:55 |
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British Army, Worldwide Index 1871 Great Britain New Transcript of Joseph's record First name(s) Joseph Country Great Britain Last name Nichols National Archives reference WO 12/10206 Service number 1621 Period 01/04/1871-30/06/1871 Rank Private Record set British Army, Worldwide Index 1871 Unit or Regiment 4th Battalion, The Prince Consort’s Own Rifle Brigade Category Military, armed forces & conflict HQ location Shorncliffe Subcategory Regimental & Service Records Year 1871 Collections from Great Britain, UK None
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ArgyllGran
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22 Jul 2025 00:56 |
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I've been out for the evening, and come back to all these replies! Many thanks, both of you.
I don't have access to the Army Census. As ErikaH has indicated, I think the man at Shorncliffe in 1871 is "my" Joseph because his birthplace is given as Buckingham. Akeley is only a couple of miles from Buckingham.
"My" Joseph is not the man who married in Chatham. This is that couple in 1911:
Joseph Nicholls in the 1911 England Census Name Joseph Nicholls Age in 1911 43 Estimated Birth Year abt 1868 Relation to Head Head Gender Male Birth Place Camden Town, London, England Civil parish Chatham County/Island Kent Country England Street Address 58 Charter St, Chatham, Kent Marital Status Married Occupation Labourer Registration District Number 47 Sub-registration district Rochester and Chatham ED, institution, or vessel 23 Piece 3907 Household Members (Name) Age Relationship Joseph Nicholls 43 Head Emma Nicholls 43 Wife Mary Beard Nicholls 22 Daughter Ethel Beard Nicholls 18 Daughter Henry Nicholls 13 Son
The man who died in 1891 in Bedford isn't him, either;
Joseph Nicholls in the UK and Ireland, Find a Grave® Index, 1300s-Current Name Joseph Nicholls Gender Male Birth Date 1842 Birth Place Bedford, Bedford Borough, Bedfordshire, England Death Date Apr 1891 Cemetery Foster Hill Road Cemetery Burial or Cremation Place Bedford, Bedford Borough, Bedfordshire, England Has Bio? Y Father Joseph Nicholls Mother Elizabeth Nichols
Ho hum - it's probably another dead end. Thanks for trying!
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Jink20
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22 Jul 2025 00:00 |
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Here's a stretch
British Army and Navy Birth, Marriage and Death Records, 1730-1960 for Joseph Nicholls
Name Joseph Nicholls Event Marriage Gender Male Marriage Date 12 Oct 1895 Marriage Place St Peter, Chatham (Kent) Spouse Emma Elizabeth Beard
England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1837-1915
Name Emma Elizabeth Beard Registration Year 1895 Registration Quarter Oct-Nov-Dec Registration District Medway Inferred County Kent Volume 2a Page 1009
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Jink20
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21 Jul 2025 23:14 |
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EH- Thank you
The India General Service Medal (1854) Roll, 1854-1889
Full Name Nichols, J Nationality British Rank Name Private Service Number 5461 ******* Clasps Awarded Burma 1887-89 ******* Service British Army Regiment Rifle Brigade Battalion 4th Battalion
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ErikaH
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21 Jul 2025 22:11 |
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The man on 1871 census was born 1840 in Buckingham.
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Jink20
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21 Jul 2025 22:03 |
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AG Please, could you clarify what compels you to believe that Joseph is 5461 The Rifles?? Was it something specific? An address/family/DOB ?
For example, UK, Worldwide Army Census, 1861 has another 5 possibles
UK, Worldwide Army Census, 1861
Nichols, Joseph Service Number: 4549 Service: British Army Primary Unit: 28th Co Royal Engineers
Nichols, Joseph Service Number: 1735 Service: British Army Primary Unit: 9th Lancers (Queens Royal)
Nichols, Joseph Service Number: 78 Service: British Army Primary Unit: 2nd Foot Guards (Coldstream)
Nichols, Joseph Service Number: 115 Service: British Army Primary Unit: 2nd Battalion 20th Foot (East Devonshire)
Nichols, Joseph Service Number: 23 Service: British Army Primary Unit: 2nd Battalion 6th Foot (Royal 1st Warwickshire)
"he's in the army camp at Shorncliffe, Kent. "4th Bat Rifle Brigade " . This Joseph appears on the 1871 Army Census as Service Number 1621 (I am aware of Army renumbering in the 1920s, and the TF in 1917.)
plus, there is also this chap
Nichols, Joseph Service Number 4590 Unit: 31st Company, Royal Engineers
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ErikaH
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21 Jul 2025 21:47 |
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Have you discounted the death in AMJ 1891 in Bedford?
I haven’t cross-referenced with census……………
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ErikaH
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21 Jul 2025 20:02 |
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Nothing on FMP’s military records with that service number. If, by chance, he was demobbed over there, he could have stayed on.
Looking at the history of the 4th Btn, they were in England? in 1889 - Devonport c1892 and Dublin in 1896. They were in S A 1901/2 - presumably the Boer War Disbanded in 1922
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ArgyllGran
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21 Jul 2025 19:18 |
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I'll be grateful if anyone can spot Joseph after 1887-89, please, especially his death.
NICKOLS, JOSEPH mmn HOLTOM GRO Reference: 1841 M Quarter in BUCKINGHAM Volume 06 Page 344
Joseph Nichols in the England & Wales, Christening Index, 1530-1980 Name: Joseph Nichols Gender: Male Christening Date: 5 Apr 1841 Christening Place: Akeley, Buckinghamshire, England Father: Andrew Nichols Mother: Rachel Nichols
1841 & 1851: in Akeley with parents and siblings.
Joseph Nichols in the 1851 England Census Name Joseph Nichols Age 10 Estimated Birth Year abt 1841 Relation Son Father's Name Andrew Nichols Mother's Name Rachel Nichols Gender Male Where born Akeley, Buckinghamshire, England Civil parish Akeley County/Island Buckinghamshire Country England Registration District Buckingham Sub-registration district Leckhampstead ED, institution, or vessel 6 Neighbors Household schedule number 50 Piece 1724 Folio 64 Page number 12 Household Members (Name) Age Relationship Andrew Nichols 41 Head Rachel Nichols 34 Wife George Nichols 16 Son [born as Holtom, 1834, before mother's marriage ] Joseph Nichols 10 Son Henry Nichols 2 Son
He's not with his parents in 1861.
1871: he's in the army camp at Shorncliffe, Kent. "4th Bat Rifle Brigade " .
This appears to be Joseph in 1887-89:
J Nichols in the UK, Military Campaign Medal and Award Rolls, 1793-1949 Name J Nichols Service Date 1887-1889 Service Place India Campaign or Service Burma Regiment or Unit Name 4th Battalion Rifle Brigade Regimental Number 5461
Perhaps he died out there.
I don't have high hopes of a definite answer. Joseph Nicholls is a fairly common name. If he returned to the UK, he could have died anywhere.
His mother emigrated to the USA between 1871 and 1880, and his brother Henry also went in 1873. His father must have gone, too, as he's with Rachel on 1880 US census in Brooklyn, even though Rachel was calling herself a widow in 1871 in Akeley.
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