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Alice COOKMAN 2Q1883 Greenwich married William SHRIMPTON in 2Q1909. William probably died 1916 and Alice married James H STONER (Stones on FreeBMD) 3Q1925.

1921 census shows James 1879 (actually 1881) and Alice 1881 (actually 1883) plus Lizzie daughter born 1913 and James Henry born 1920.
James 1920 b/c confirms parents as James & Alice with the same 33 Speedwell St address.
But who is Lizzie? My only thought at the moment is that she is Elizabeth Mary STONER birth 4Q1914, born to another James Henry STONER 1874 part of the clan, and Fanny HARRIS(S) with whom she appears in 1921. Maybe with 8 children, one was staying elsewhere and was listed twice?

The census you refer to - easier to look at than "see" it in words

1921 Census Of England & Wales
33, Speedwell Street, St Paul Deptford, London & Kent, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship to head Sex Birth year Age in years Birth place Occupation Employer
James Henry Stoner Head Male 1879 41 Greenwich, Kent, England Dealer My Own Master
Alice Stoner Wife Female 1881 40 Greenwich, Kent, England - -
Lizzie Stoner Daughter Female 1913 7 Deptford, Kent, England - -
James Henry Stoner Son Male 1920 1 Deptford, Kent, England - -

William Shrimpton and Alice Cookman married in 1900


Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Jun 1900 (>99%)
Cookman Alice Greenwich 1d 1757
Edwards Emma Maria Greenwich 1d 1757
Shrimpton William Greenwich 1d 1757
Trigg George Greenwich 1d 1757

1911 Census For England & Wales
6 Hardy Cottages Eastney St Greenwich, Greenwich, London & Kent, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship to head Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William Shrimpton Head Married Male 35 1876 Labourer general England Greenwich
Alice Shrimpton Wife Married Female 27 1884 - England Greenwich
William Alfred Shrimpton Son - Male 9 1902 School Greenwich
Ethel May Shrimpton Daughter - Female 8 1903 School Greenwich
Violet Ruby Shrimpton Daughter - Female 6 1905 School Greenwich
Albert Edward Shrimpton Son - Male 3 1908 - Greenwich

Married 11 years, 4 children born and 4 living

Have you looked at the IMAGE of the census?

Lizzie Stoner is said to be 7 years 11 months old at 1921 Census (21 June).
If correct, she therefore would have been born July 1913.
As James Henry filled in the form, one would hope he would know when his daughter was born. 7 years 11 months seems a very specific age to give if he wasn't sure.
Also, he wouldn't write "daughter" if she wasn't his daughter.


Elizabeth Mary was born 26 August 1914, according to her baptism record - and also the 1939 Register.

Elizabeth Emily Stonor
in the London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1924
Name Elizabeth Emily Stonor [Elizabeth Mary on image]
Baptism Age 0
Record Type Baptism
Birth Date 26 Aug 1914
Baptism Date 7 Oct 1914
Baptism Place Saint Paul, Deptford: Deptford High Street, Lewisham, Lewisham, England
Father James Henry Stonor
Mother Frances Stonor

Whilst I'm looking for clues -

Ethel May Shrimpton may be a patient in Stoke Gifford near Bristol in 1921

William with A Company, 20th London Defence Battalion, Wimbledon Common

Violet is a Servant in Blackheath. Of that address she was charged with stealing from the kitchen - admitted she did as was "hard up'. She was an orphan who had been placed in the situation from the Greenwich Guardians Homes at Sidcup. she was placed on probation for 12 months.

Albert is in that Home in Sidcup, and noted that Father is dead

1921 Census Of England & Wales (Read every 2nd line)
Greenwich Guardians, Childrens Homes, Sidcup, Footscray, Kent, England

First name(s) Albert
Parish Footscray
Last name Shrimpton
Registration district Bromley
Sex Male
Registration district number 42
Birth year 1909
Sub-district Chislehurst
Census date 19 June 1921
Sub-district number 4
Age in years 12
Enumeration district number 16
Age in months 6
County Kent
Age as transcribed 12 y 6 m
Country England
Relationship to head Inmate
Ward of borough or urban district Chislehurst Lower Borough
Orphanhood Father Dead
Parliamentary borough or division Kent PC, Chislehurst Div.
Birth place Deptford, London, England
Archive The National Archives
Birth town Deptford
Archive series RG 15
Birth county London
Piece number 03868
Birth country England
Page 8
Birth place as transcribed London, Deptford
District reference RD 42 RS 4 ED 16, 17
Education Whole-Time
Schedule type code III
Language used to complete form English
Schedule type Institution, multiple page, 70+ entries
Person making return Joseph Steer
Other household member's first name(s) -
House name Greenwich Guardians
Other household member's last name -
Street Childrens Homes, Sidcup
Record set 1921 Census Of England & Wales
Address Greenwich Guardians Childrens Homes, Sidcup
Category Census, land & surveys
Institution name Greenwich Guardians' Children's Homes Sidcup Kent
Subcategory Census
Institution description Greenwich Guardians' Children's Homes, Sidcup, Kent

If you check the image, the man has put ages in years…plus months……..for example, for Lizzie, he has written 7 years November, for the son he has put 1 year June. I suggest that those refer to the birth months, so Lizzie is not 7 years 11 months as transcribed by Ancestry

You need to follow-through on her……..

Thank you all for the information and comments.

Apologies. 1900. I misread my transcript of the Wiliiam Shrimpton/Alice marriage year. (Maybe it was those dots in the centre of italic '0' - but at least I didn't write 1999.)

My interest is the Stoner side and, yes, I have looked at the images of the Stoner censuses.

James was born in June 1920 so I read Lizzie 7yrs Nov in 1921 as aged 7 and born in November rather than 7yrs 11 months. I didn't find her when looking through the St Paul Deptford baptismal register, Nov '13 to April '14.

Alice continued to have Shrimpton children until 1916 which may suggest one of Lizzie's parents was James Henry rather than Alice.

Thanks for Elizabeth Mary's baptism. I have her marriage.

.. but still lack any other trace of Lizzie.

a number of trees on ancestry

Elizabeth Mary Stoner from tree GED from Myheritage Site 23 Dec 2023
Record information.
Birth 26 Aug 1914 London, London, England
Marriage 25 Dec 1936 London, London, England
Residence 1956 Greenwich, Kent, England
Death Jan 1972 Cambridge, Cambridgeshire, England
Record information.
Father James Henry STONER (1874-1945)
Mother Fanny Hannah Stoner (1871-1959)
Spouse Ernest BATTERS (1906-1963)
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It does seem feasible that Lizzie was a daughter of John Henry from a previous relationship -
but there's no illegitimate birth of a Lizzie of any surname, registered in Greenwich RD in 1913-14.

There's one Elizabeth (Elizabeth Emily Bennett 1914) but she died in infancy.

There was also an Elizabeth Crook in 1912, but she too died in infancy.

What was James Henry Stoner’s marital status when he married in 1925?

If, as you say., Alice’s first husband died in 1916, why did they wait until 1925………especially as they had a child together in 1920?

Was he married to someone else?

I've seen the one b/c for the 1920 birth but not the eventual m/c and do not know the reason for the delay. They also had children in 1921 1923 1924 before getting married. I have no other spare marriages for him.