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If that tree's accurate, which I doubt, then Riley's birth must have been registered under his unknown (to us) mother's name - though I don't see any illegitimate Riley born 1936-38. (Apart from possibly one in Eton.)




Just for further elimination -
this is the marriage of the parents of Riley N Smith, born in Leeds in 1937:

Marriages Sep 1935 (>99%)
Cunningham Minnie Smith Thorne 9c 2332
Smith Riley Cunningham Thorne 9c 2332

They're all living together in Goole in 1960.

In 1939, Minnie and Riley senior are in Lincolnshire with 2 closed records.

1939 for the woman who married John T C Smith

Name Elsie Smith
Gender Female
Marital Status Married
Birth Date 16 Mar 1917
Residence Date 1939
Address 37
Residence Place Sunderland, Durham, England
Occupation Unpaid Domestic Duties
Line Number 43
Schedule Number 233
Sub Schedule Number 3
Enumeration District Fdpb
Borough Sunderland
Registration District 555 - 4
Household Members (Name) Gender Birth Year
Mary Geddes Female 1878
Herbert Geddes Male 1911
Elsie Smith Female 1917

One possible birth in the marriage.............in 1952

If he married and the event was registered, his father's name should be on the cert

There is NO birth registration for Riley Smith with MMN Geddes.

This is that marriage..............
Marriages Mar 1939 (>99%)
Geddes Elsie Smith Sunderland 10a 827
Smith John T C Geddes Sunderland 10a 827

That 'tree' looks very imaginative, to say the least......

This is from a tree on ancestry...no records to go with it though.

John * Thomas Cheavins Smith
1914–1973

Birth 1914

Death 1973

1914Age 0(AGE)

Birth

1914

1937Age 23
Birth of son Riley Smith (1937–1984)

1937

1944Age 30
Death of mother Hannah Isabel Dunn (1880–1944)

15 Aug 1944 • Sunderland, Durham.

1951Age 37
Death of father David * Smith (1876–1951)

1951

1973Age 59

Death

1973

Sources
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Family
Parents

David * Smith

1876–1951
Hannah Isabel Dunn
Hannah Isabel Dunn

1880–1944

Spouse and children

Elsie Geddes

1917–1992
Private

No spouse
Riley Smith

1937–1984



1921 for that family.

1921 Census Of England & Wales
15, Kertch Street, Southwick, Durham, England

Household members (12 people)
First name(s) Last name Relationship to head Sex Birth year Age in years Birth place Occupation Employer
David Smith Head
Male 1876 44 Durham, England Joiner Vehicle Construction Sunderland Corporation Fram Way
Hannah Isabel Smith Wife
Female 1880 41 Monkwearmouth, Durham, England Home Duties -
George Smith Son
Male 1900 20 - Boot Repairer Home, Own Account
William Smith Son
Male 1902 19 - Ship Riverter Robert Thompson's Southwick, Out Of Work, Shipbuilders
David Smith Son
Male 1904 17 - (Coal Miner), Pit Boy (Driver) Wearmouth Coal Coy, Out Of Work
Elizabeth Smith Daughter
Female 1905 16 - None -
Rachel Smith Daughter
Female 1907 14 - - -
Edith Chevins Smith Daughter
Female 1909 12 - - -
Robert Smith Son
Male 1912 9 - - -
>>John Thomas Smith Son
Male 1914 7 - - -
Jane Smith Daughter
Female 1917 3 Durham, England - -
Dagnald Smith Son
Male 1920 1 Durham, England - -

I assume you mean the birth certificate.

With luck, the DOB on the birth cert will match that on the death cert - though the DOB on a death cert depends on what the informant believed it to be.

Good morning.

Thanks for the information. Very useful. Not the easiest name to research - SMITH ha ha!
I think I'll order the death certificate for the Hartlepool Smith as the mother's name 'Edith' fits.

Thankyou for all your info.

Cassie :-D

As he died in 1984, one would expect his record - if there ever was one - to be open in 1939.

EDIT

Have searched using 'Smith, male and DoB’. Nothing………..

For INFO……..MMN is not on any records other than birth certs.

A possible brother, William H E Smith, was born April/May/June1939

As Greyghost says, there's nothing definite in 1939.
If that's the right family, there should be two closed records with the parents - as neither of the children's names comes up with a 1939 entry -- but I don't see such a family.

If they were travellers, perhaps they just weren't listed - though presumably that would mean they didn't have ID, ration books, etc.

Possible marriage to fit the Hartlepool birth

Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page
Marriages Sep 1936 (>99%)

Smith George H Walton Hartlepool 10a 454
Walton Edith Smith Hartlepool 10a 454


Nothing definite on the 1939 Register. No Riley Smith b 1937

One of the possible births:

Births Dec 1937
Smith Riley Walton Hartlepool 10a 182


???
Marriages Sep 1936 (>99%)
Smith George H Walton Hartlepool 10a 454
Walton Edith Smith Hartlepool 10a 454

The death you mention
Surname First name(s) DoB District Vol Page
Deaths 1984 (>99%)
SMITH RILEY 12OC1937 BRADFORD 4 446

And the 2 possible births to fit that birthdate (if correct). There is no second initial shown on the death record, but details can only be those known to the person registering.
Births Dec 1937 (>99%)
Smith Riley Walton Hartlepool 10a 182
Smith Riley N Cummingham Leeds North 9b 330

Good evening

Could anyone please do a 1939 register check for me?

Its for a Riley Smith b12/10/37. Died 1984 in Bradford.
Not sure where he was in 1939. It may have been Hartlepool or Yorkshire (I found 2 possible births). We understand his mother was called 'Edith'.

Riley was a traveller so l we know little about his family. Please could I ask for details of where he was living and who was also at the address including his mother's maiden name if that shows.

Many thanks for any information
Cassie
:-)