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Elizabeth MacClennen 1811

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Pauline Report 15 Jan 2022 16:59

Could anyone help please
I have Elizabeth McClennen born Carlisle 1811
She married William HILL 1811 from Brampton Carlisle
i am trying to find any siblings for either them
Ihave info that one of there siblings died and was listed has insane
My 2xgt grandad was also in the metal hospital he was a nephew to one of there siblings
Thank you


ErikaH Report 15 Jan 2022 17:30

Start with what you know as fact

What was the name of your 2xgreatgrandfather?

Who were his parents?

You say he was a nephew ‘to one of their siblings?
How do you know that? What proof is there?

When and where did Elizabeth marry William?


ArgyllGran Report 15 Jan 2022 18:00

The only William Hill 1811 Brampton that I can see is this one - who married Sarah Hetherington, not an Elizabeth.

He's on all the censuses from 1841 to 1891. I'm only posting 1841 and 1891.

William Hill
in the 1891 England Census
Name: William Hill
Gender: Male
Age: 80
Relationship: Head
Birth Year: 1811
Elizabeth Hill
William Hill
Birth Place: Brampton, Cumberland, England
Civil parish: Brampton
Ecclesiastical parish: Brampton
Residence Place: Brampton, Brampton, Cumberland, England
Registration district: Brampton
Sub registration district: Brampton
ED, Institution or Vessel: 1
Piece: 4280
Folio: 10
Household Members Age Relationship
William Hill 80 Head
Elizabeth Hill 40 Daughter
William Hill 36 Son
David Hill 21 Grandson
John William Hill 6 Grandson

William Hill
in the 1841 England Census
Name: William Hill
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811
Gender: Male
Where Born: Cumberland, England
Civil Parish: Brampton
Hundred: Eskdale
County/Island: Cumberland
Country: England
Street Address:
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Registration District: Brampton
Sub-registration District: Brampton
Piece: 167
Book: 11
Folio: 5
Page Number: 5
Household Members:
Name Age
William Hill 30
Sarah Hill 30
John Hill 1

Sarah Hetherington
in the Gretna Green, Scotland, Marriage Registers, 1794-1895
Name: Sarah Hetherington
Residence: England, Cumberland, Brampton
Marriage Date: 24 Sep 1834
Spouse: William Hill
Spouse Residence: England, Cumberland, Brampton


greyghost Report 15 Jan 2022 18:03

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
GRO Reference: 1840 J Quarter in BRAMPTON UNION Volume 25 Page 37


Pauline Report 15 Jan 2022 18:05

2xgt was William HILL B1853..1906 Died in the Garlands Mental Hospital
When i obtained his medical records it was stated he had an Uncle who was also a lunatic
his dad was William Hill 1811 Brampton Cumberland
his mother was Sarah Hethrington 1811 St Cuthberts Carlisle Cumberland
Sorry Sarahs mother is Elizabeth McCLENNEN 1785
William and Sarah married Gretna Green in 1834
Thank you


greyghost Report 15 Jan 2022 18:16

Not the siblings you're looking for, but children of William and Sarah

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
GRO Reference: 1839 J Quarter in BRAMPTON UNION Volume 25 Page 39

GRO Reference: 1842 J Quarter in BRAMPTON UNION Volume 25 Page 33

GRO Reference: 1844 D Quarter in BRAMPTON UNION Volume 25 Page 39

GRO Reference: 1848 D Quarter in BRAMPTON Volume 25 Page 46

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
GRO Reference: 1853 M Quarter in BRAMPTON UNION Volume 10B Page 324

Name: Age at Death (in years):
GRO Reference: 1839 J Quarter in BRAMPTON UNION Volume 25 Page 22


ArgyllGran Report 15 Jan 2022 18:28

I can't see anything for Sarah Hetherington earlier than her marriage.

The marriage record says she is "of the parish of Brampton".

1841 says born Cumberland; 1851 and 1871 say born Banks,Cumberland; 1861 says born Brampton.

William is also "of the parish of Brampton".
1851 says Longtown, Cumberland; 1861 ,1881 and 1891 say Brampton; 1871 says Arthuret, Cumberland;

Can't see his baptism, unless this is it, some time after his birth - and if so, clearly an illegitimate birth :

William Hill
Vital • England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name William Hill
Sex Male
Christening Date 28 Feb 1820
Christening Place Brampton, Cumberland, England, United Kingdom
Christening Place (Original) Brampton, Cumberland, England
Mother's Name Jane Hill
Mother's Sex Female


alviegal Report 15 Jan 2022 18:47

Baptism for Sarah.

Name: Sarah Hetherington
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 20 Oct 1811
Baptism Place: Saint Cuthbert,Carlisle,Cumberland,England
Wm. Hetherington
Elizabeth Mc Clennen
FHL Film Number: 90578


Pauline Report 15 Jan 2022 19:05

Thank you


ErikaH Report 15 Jan 2022 19:28

There are other Hetherington baptisms in the area/time-scale with parents William and Elizabeth on FMP,

Can't C&P from iPad


Kucinta Report 15 Jan 2022 19:52

Utterly speculative and can't c& p as on tablet.

No idea of ages at death, would need to be checked on death index to see if the right ages to be possibilities, but just in case you do find siblings for Sarah or William, it might narrow things down.

Lunacy Patients Admissions Register 1846-1912


Edward, admitted 24 Aug 1863 Carlisle, died 4 Sept 1881
John, admitted 10th Jan 1862 Cumberland died 27 Dec 1883
Thos, admitted 14 Sept 1880 Carlisle died 18 June 1881
Wm, admitted 23 Sept 1884 Carlisle died 28 Dec 1884


James, admitted 9 July 1863 Carlisle died 13 Dec 1867

There were a lot more entries for Hill nationwide, but I put Cumberland in the search field, so think they came up at the beginning. Also some later Hetherington entries, but probably too late to be sibs of William or Sarah.


alviegal Report 15 Jan 2022 20:11

Edward was born 1830, parents Edward and Tamar.

John was born 1813 and was a tailor.

Thomas was born 1834 and was a farmer.

William poss born 1828. In the workhouse in 1881. Unmarried house painter.

James Hill poss born 1831.


Pauline Report 16 Jan 2022 00:41

thank you so much