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John Meads 1796.

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Terence

Terence Report 25 Jul 2021 07:16

Another "Brick Wall" I'm afraid. Working on the close connection of the Meads and Sayer generations centered around Marlow, Bucks, I cannot find details of John Mead(s) b1796. He is the last (10th) child of Thomas and Hannah Meads.
Records show a marriage to Elizabeth Butler in Marlow, Bucks on 3rd February 1821. But I cannot find further information of this couple!!!
I have children George 1823 and Ann 1827 (both Mead(s), born in Marlow, but cannot prove them to John and Elizabeth, or wife's Elizabeth's details!
George Mead(s)1823 married Emma Sayer in Marlow on 9th August 1843.
Ann had close connections with George's last daughter Charlotte, where they lived together with various boarders in Eton Place, Marlow, over 3 Census' ending in 1901. They both never married and seem to have both died in 1909!
(There was another Elizabeth (Corby) in Marlow, St Peter's St. She was left with 3 children when her husband William was deported to Australia). I have all those details.
Can anyone help with more details of the above please?

Terence. South Australia.


Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 25 Jul 2021 08:19

The marriage cert of George Meads to Emma Sayer shouid give fathers name and occupation

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 25 Jul 2021 08:21

A tree on ancestry has the father of that George Meads as Joseph Meads and Hannah Hill

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George Mead
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 16 Nov 1823
Baptism Place: Great Marlow, Buckingham, England
Father:
Joseph Mead
Mother:
Hannah
FHL Film Number: 1999445
Reference ID: p 150


Joseph Mead
Gender: Male
Record Type: Banns (Bann)
Marriage Banns Date: 16 Apr 1809
Marriage Banns Place: St Andrew Holborn, City of London, England
Spouse:
Hannah Hill
Register Type: Parish Register

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 25 Jul 2021 08:24

1841 census

George Mead
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Gender: Male
Where born: Buckinghamshire, England
Civil Parish: Great Marlow
Hundred: Desborough
County/Island: Buckinghamshire
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
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Registration District: Wycombe
Sub-registration District: Great Marlow
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 53
Book: 3
Folio: 14
Page Number: 22
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Mead 55
George Mead 15
Henry Mead 15
Ann Mead 15

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 25 Jul 2021 08:31

John Meads
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 03 Feb 1821
Marriage Place: Great Marlow, Buckingham, England
Spouse:
Elizabeth Butler
FHL Film Number: 1999445
Reference ID: 52

1851 census
John Meads
Age: 61
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1790
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Stowe, Buckinghamshire, England
Civil Parish: Radclive cum Chackmore
County/Island: Buckinghamshire
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability:
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Registration District: Buckingham
Sub-registration District: Leckhampstead
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 10
Piece: 1724
Folio: 150
Page Number: 13
Household Members:
Name Age
James Miles 50
Mary Miles 49
Richard Miles 19
John Meads 61 widower

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 25 Jul 2021 08:40

In the workhouse in 1871

John Meads
Age: 86
Estimated Birth Year: 1785
Relation: Inmate
Gender: Male
Where born: Stowe Buckinghamshire England
Civil parish: Buckingham
Ecclesiastical parish: Buckingham
Town: Buckingham
County/Island: Buckinghamshire
Country: England
Registration district: Buckingham
Sub-registration district: Buckingham
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Household schedule number: 66
Piece: 1423
Folio: 13
Page number: 17

Still a widower so possibly had never remarried

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 25 Jul 2021 08:48


Birth
MEAD, CHARLOTTE ELEANOR SAYERS
GRO Reference: 1853 J Quarter in WYCOMBE Volume 03A Page 340


1871 census
Name: Charlotte E Meads
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: 1853
Relation: Daughter
Gender: Female
Where born: Great Marlow Buckinghamshire England
Civil parish: Great Marlow
Town: Great Marlow
County/Island: Buckinghamshire
Country: England
Registration district: Wycombe
Sub-registration district: Great Marlow
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Household schedule number: 170
Piece: 1405
Folio: 95
Page number: 30
Household Members Age Relationship
George Meads
47 Head
Charlotte E Meads 18 Daughter
Ann Meads
43 Sister

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 25 Jul 2021 08:55

So to sum it up

George and Ann Meads were the children of Joseph Meads and Hannah Hill


They are not connected to John meads and Elizabeth Butler

nameslessone

nameslessone Report 25 Jul 2021 09:04

Terence has a number of threads on the various Meads families.

Maddie

Maddie Report 25 Jul 2021 12:27

further info

John
Sex Male
Last name Meads
Marriage year 1821
Spouse's first name(s) Elizabeth
Spouse's last name Butler
Denomination Anglican
County Buckinghamshire
Country England
Place Great Marlow
Document type Bishop's transcripts
Page 52
Marital status bachelor
Residence Great Marlow
Marriage date 03 Feb 1821
Spouse's marital status spinster
Spouse's residence Great Marlow
By licence or by banns Banns
First witness Mary Ann Heath
Second witness Wildsmith Badger
Register type Baptisms, marriages & burials
Register year range 1806-1825
Archive reference D/A/T/129
Archive Buckinghamshire Archives
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records

George
Last name Meads
Baptism year 1822
Birth year -
Denomination Anglican
County Buckinghamshire
Country England
Place Great Marlow
Mother's first name(s) Elizabeth
Father's first name(s) John
Father's last name Meads
Document type Bishop's transcripts
Page 139
Baptism date 22 Dec 1822
Father's occupation Labr
Residence Gt Marlow

Maddie

Maddie Report 25 Jul 2021 12:58

??????
Buckinghamshire Baptism Index
First name(s) Elizabeth
Last name Butler
Baptism year 1792
Birth year -
Denomination Anglican
County Buckinghamshire
Country England
Place Great Marlow
Mother's first name(s) Ann
Father's first name(s) Richard
Father's last name Butler
Document type Bishop's transcripts
Baptism date ? Jun 1792
Register type Baptisms, marriages & burials
Register year range 1770-1805

Maddie

Maddie Report 25 Jul 2021 13:03

George
Sex Male
Last name Mead
Marriage year 1843
Spouse's first name(s) Emma
Spouse's last name Sayer
Denomination Anglican
County Buckinghamshire
Country England
Place Lane End
Document type Parish registers
Page 65
Age Full
Marital status bachelor
Residence Lane End
Occupation Painter
Marriage date 09 Aug 1843
Spouse's age Full
Spouse's marital status spinster
Spouse's residence Lane End
Father's name Joseph Mead ---------------------
Father's occupation Painter
Spouse's father's name William Miles Sayer
Spouse's father's occupation Labourer
First witness Sarah Smith
Second witness William Miles Sayer
Register type Marriages
Register year range 1837-1900
Archive reference PR122A/1/5

ties up with above find by shirley

1841 states joseph not born in the county

Maddie

Maddie Report 25 Jul 2021 13:25

Joseph
Last name Mead
Birth year 1784
Age 64
Death year 1848
Burial year 1848
Burial date 23 Jan 1848
Place Great Marlow

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 25 Jul 2021 13:49

As you knew the exact date of the 1843 marriage, you should know the names of each of the fathers ( assuming the couple knew them)

Maddie

Maddie Report 25 Jul 2021 14:16

wonder if this could be josephs marriage

Joseph
Sex Male
Last name Mead
Marriage year 1822
Spouse's first name(s) Hannah
Spouse's last name Sayde
Denomination Anglican
County Buckinghamshire
Country England
Place Ivinghoe
Document type Parish registers
Page 38
Residence Montmore
Marriage date 23 May 1822
Spouse's residence Ivinghoe
By licence or by banns Banns
First witness George Cutter
Second witness Fanny Sayde
Register type Marriages
Register year range 1810-1837
Archive reference PR116/1/6
Archive Buckinghamshire Archives


Name: Hannah Sayele
Gender: Female
Marriage Date: 23 May 1822
Marriage Place: Ivinghoe,Buckingham,England
Spouse:
Joseph Mead
FHL Film Number: 1042386

Name: Hannah
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Married
Death Date: abt 1834
Burial Date: 19 Sep 1834
Burial Place: Great Marlow, Buckingham, England
Spouse:
Joseph Mead
FHL Film Number: 1999445
Reference ID: 216

Maddie

Maddie Report 25 Jul 2021 15:07

IF 1841 incorrect as to pob

Name: Joseph Mead
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 4 Feb 1787
Baptism Place: Hambleden, Buckingham, England
Father:
Thomas Mead
Mother:
Ann
FHL Film Number: 1967097
Reference ID: item 6-11


Name: Hannnah
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Married
Death Date: abt 1829
Burial Date: 27 Feb 1829
Burial Place: Great Marlow, Buckingham, England
Spouse:
Thomas Meads
FHL Film Number: 1999445

Name: Thomas Meads
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 20 Jul 1778
Marriage Place: Cookham,Berkshire,England
Spouse:
Hannah Church
FHL Film Number: 88236

Name: Thomas Medes
Age: 85
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1756
Gender: Male
Where born: Buckinghamshire, England
Civil Parish: Great Marlow
Hundred: Desborough
County/Island: Buckinghamshire
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
View image
Registration District: Wycombe
Sub-registration District: Great Marlow
Neighbors:
Piece: 53
Book: 4
Folio: 11
Page Number: 17
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Medes 85
Mary Medes 30
Edward Farey 35
Maria Farey 30
Thomas Farey 12
William Farey 10
Mary Farey 8
George Farey 6
Sophia Farey 4
Samuel Farey 2

Name: Thomas Meads
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Death Registration Place: Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, United Kingdom
Death Date: Mar 1844
Inferred Death Place: Buckinghamshire, United Kingdom
Volume: 6
Page: 329


Thomas
Last name Meads
Birth year 1756
Age 88
Death year 1844
Burial year 1844
Burial date 07 Jan 1844
Place Great Marlow
County Buckinghamshire
Country England
Record set National Burial Index For England & Wales

nameslessone

nameslessone Report 25 Jul 2021 15:10

Have you tried the Bucks family history society. They have an extensive collection of parish records available to purchase and they will do searches for a small fee.

Terence

Terence Report 26 Jul 2021 03:24

Again, thank you all very much for your prompt replies. More information from all of you helps to narrow down the mystery.
The only Joseph's I had were one born in Wasing Chr26/3/1732 to John Meads and Elizabeth Ivers, and could not find any more information on him!
The other Joseph born Hambleden 1787 is John's earlier brother. He married Charlotte Shaw in 1813, Wargave, Berks. (They had a William Joseph born 1817).
Another Joseph died within days of birth in 1812 in Medmenham, Bucks.

As you have mentioned before, other published information is not always correct!
Yes, I will contact the Bucks FHS again. I did not get a reply a few years ago!

Many thanks again to all of you.

Terence.