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Just tried to get Douglas Birth certificate and it can't find him?? But found death certificate

I don't think Douglas h n wyatt is farther as the marriage is little late after giving up Douglas to a home? Curious what relation is with Carpenter though unless they fostered Douglas

Hi thank you for all this info. Im going thru this now. I do have tree on ancestry but I'm not sure I have correct info on for farther wyatt... im doing all I can researching. Is there anyone named Betty or Betsy Blake as my nan mentioned possibly Douglas mum 1st name but can't be sure. Il have to order Douglas birth certificate. My nan did say she thinks Douglas farther was from Scotland because of MCDONALD name..
Maybe his mum didn't marry to doug farther. I'm wondering if Carpenter surname who Douglas was living with is any relation to him. BLAKE Is definitely Douglas mum maiden name.

I don't see what relationship is between Joan ML and the Carpenters in 1939, but it seems too much of a coincidence for there to be none.

I posted the wrong birth for her earlier.

This is the correct one:

CARPENTER, JOAN MARY LOUISE mmn SIMENSEN
GRO Reference: 1920 S Quarter in WILLESDEN Volume 03A Page 631


Joan M L Carpenter
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: Joan M L Carpenter
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Single
Birth Date: 18 Aug 1920
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 16
Residence Place: Willesden, Middlesex, England
Occupation: Telephonist G P O
Line Number: 13
Schedule Number: 39
Sub Schedule Number: 4
Enumeration District: BXGK
Borough: Willesden
Registration district: 129-2
Inferred Father:
Eugene V Carpenter
Inferred Mother:
Esther L Carpenter
Household Members Age
Eugene V Carpenter 58
Esther L Carpenter 47
Edward L Carpenter 25
Joan M L Carpenter 19
Peter J M Carpenter 13

CARPENTER, EUGENE VICTOR mmn PEDDER
GRO Reference: 1881 S Quarter in WANDSWORTH Volume 01D Page 643


He's not with parents or siblings in any census. He was in the army.

A brother:

CARPENTER, ARTHUR JAMES mmn PEDDER
GRO Reference: 1874 M Quarter in SAINT SAVIOUR SURREY Volume 01D Page 76

Parents were George Carpenter and Marianne Pedder.


No sign of another brother with George as first or middle name born 1875 (as in 1939 with Douglas).

Even if Douglas H N was Douglas M's father you still need the birth cert in case it names his mother.

There is no other way to (hopefully) find out who she was - unless the Barnardos records name her.

First marriage:

Douglas H N Wyatt
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1916-2005
Name: Douglas H N Wyatt
Registration Date: Oct 1937
[Nov 1937]
[Dec 1937]
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration District: Pancras
Inferred County: Middlesex
Spouse: Ottillie Darnuzer
Volume Number: 1b
Page Number: 76


Ottilia Wyatt
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Ottilia Wyatt
Death Age: 72
Birth Date: 11 Jan 1906
Registration Date: Apr 1978
[May 1978]
[Jun 1978]
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration District: Bracknell
Inferred County: Berkshire
Volume: 19
Page: 0011

Douglas H N Wyatt
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: Douglas H N Wyatt
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Married [ no wife listed with him ]
Birth Date: 6 Apr 1904
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 131 Albany St N W 1
Residence Place: St Pancras, London, England
Occupation: Bus Conductor-L P T B
Line Number: 21
Schedule Number: 185
Sub Schedule Number: 1
Enumeration District: ASBR
Borough: St Pancras
Registration district: 9/1
Household Members: 1



Douglas Herbert Norman Wyatt
in the England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1995
Name: Douglas Herbert Norman Wyatt
Death Date: 1 May 1951
Death Place: Kent, England
Probate Date: 23 Feb 1953
Probate Registry: London, England

Administration to Joan Mary Louise Wyatt, widow.
Died in Folkestone.


Marriages Dec 1954 (>99%)
CLIFTON Albert A WYATT Folkestone 5b 847
WYATT Joan M L CLIFTON Folkestone 5b 847

Death:
CLIFTON, JOAN MARY LOUISE 1920
GRO Reference: DOR Q4/2009 in KENT (5641F) Reg 1F004 Entry Number 502422798


Births Jun 1920 (>99%)
Carpenter Joan M L McInytre Pancras 1b 138

******* EDIT:
NO, that's the wrong birth.
This is the correct one:

CARPENTER, JOAN MARY LOUISE mmn SIMENSEN
GRO Reference: 1920 S Quarter in WILLESDEN Volume 03A Page 631

????

England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005

First name(s) Douglas H N
Last name Wyatt
Marriage quarter 4
Marriage year 1945
Registration month -

MarriageFinder ™


Douglas H N Wyatt married one of these people

Joan M Carpenter
Spouse's last name Carpenter
District Willesden
District number -
County Middlesex
Country England
Volume 3A

Caris do you have a tree on ancestry with this on it?


Wyatt
1908–1982
Birth 1908 • Cuckfield, Sussex, England
Death JAN 1982 • Lewisham, Greater London, England

There is also the 1939 register for a Douglas H N Wyatt. Do you believe this to be Douglas' father?

Just to say re. 1939 on FMP, ..........

White Hart Lane is NOT in Portsmouth.
It is in Portchester in the Urban District of Fareham, Hampshire.

A red line through a name in 1939, with reference to another page, can mean a duplicate entry, or a corrected entry is on the other page.

Looking at the image of Douglas's entry in 1939 on Ancestry -
he's on image 22, with reference to page 24.

On other pages, for example, there's a Violet D Lewis , 15/2/1913, on image 18, not scored out but with ref in red to page 23.
On image 24, she's there with same DOB and same address, so perhaps it was just a duplicate entry.

Another example -
also on image 18 there's an Audrey M E Montague, 7/9/1911, scored out and with ref to page 24.
Her corrected entry then shows on image 25, with DOB 9/9/1911.

So, page 23 entries show on image 24, and page 24 entries show on image 25.

Looking at image 25 for Douglas - disappointingly, his must be one of the many closed records on that page. In fact, they're all closed except for Audrey Montague.

That's on Ancestry - perhaps someone can look on FMP, where 1939 is a bit more up-to-date than Ancestry?

EDIT:
I see GG has tried that with no better success.

1939 from Find My Past - gives more detail

Douglas Wyatt's life in 1939
Restwood White Hart Lane, Portsmouth, Fareham U.D., Hampshire, England

(5 people)
First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
George Carpenter 15 Jul 1875 Male Carpenter Arp Work Married 286 1
Lizzie Carpenter 20 Mar 1886 Female Housewife Married 286 2
Joyce E Stone (Carpenter) 22 Feb 1930 Female At School Single 286 3
Douglas Wyatt 23 Apr 1931 Male At School Single 286 4
The record for this person is officially closed.

For individual people, records remain closed for a century after their birth (the 100-year rule), unless it can be proven that they passed away before this milestone. Use the ‘Open This Record’ button if you believe that this person is now deceased
Ref: RG101/2334I/025/7 Letter Code: EDIW

© Findmypast Ltd
Where they lived

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Now FMP is displaying their records differently you can get to Page 24 to look at it too. However in this case there is nothing to see for all but one of the entries, (not Douglas), which would appear to mean that all of the entries are redacted because of the 100 year rule. Douglas' record presumably has been opened on the main page but not Page 24. Possibly he was also recorded at school?

Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page
Marriages Jun 1928 (>99%)
Blake Daisy I Whyte Southampton 2c 183 Scan available - click to view
Whyte James Blake Southampton 2c 183 Scan available - click to view

just a possible for area.?

not the above.

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Perhaps Blake was a maiden name but a marriage took place as something else,,,but Blake be given as the maiden name.

Looked at SP yesterday, but couldn't see anything that might be relevant.

Whyatt.

Douglas

McDonald,,,,,,,,,could it possibly relate to Scotland?

Re the changed DOB in 1939 -

The first date (25th) would either have been told to the clerk in error, or else the clerk wrote that by mistake. Or perhaps Douglas believed it was his correct DOB.

Then later (1944) it was corrected for some reason, and updated on the 1939 Register.


To buy a copy of the birth cert (to find out parents' name/s), register with the GRO website, then order the cert, quoting the reference details I posted earlier.

https://www.gro.gov.uk

Once you have the birth certificate giving his mothers full name then you can search for a marriage, if there appears to have been one. Then use the information you have to search for other children.

You can also use the freebmd website now to see if there are any more Wyatt/Blake births

There doesn’t seem to be a marriage for Wyatt/Blake and he seems to be an only child

So his birth cert is what you need for it’s info

You can order his Barnardos records too but they do cost and take some time to be sent out

Because of COVID though they aren’t accepting requests at the moment

If Douglas did live at the address in 1939 as posted by ArgyllGran, ( I'm not sure what the crossing out means ?) the house was in Portchester, probably White Hart Lane.

The local schools would be in Castle Street or if he lived near the west end of White Hart Lane, he might have attended Wicor School.

The secondary school was and still is in White Hart Lane.

School records, if they are available would likely be at Hampshire Record Office in Winchester.
They might detail when he attended school and the leaving date.

Ok thank you. Do you think its possible to find if blake had any other children?